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Post by PowerPC on Apr 8, 2005 0:07:32 GMT -5
I want to ask a very important question here. That is do the Outer Senshi ever actually use an elemental power or do all their attacks seem to be energy attacks? It would seem to me that the latter is more correct the Outer Senshi's attacks are indeed based on an elemental however there attacks are energy blasts. Uranus' World Shaking is an energy blast formed from the energy of the sky and the earth. Neptune's Deep Submerge is an energy blast formed from the energy of the water in the sea. I will grant that the ball is propelled on a tidal wave and it kind of floods everything out while it is coming at you however it is obviously a blast of energy of Oceanic proportions. Saturn's attacks are obviously energy based attacks and so is Pluto's Dead Scream which is a blast of energy shot from the Garnet Orb. Now the Guardian Senshi actually create an elemental Jupiter's lightning, Mars Fire, Venus' light, and Mercury's Water. They all seem to actually shoot the elements at you while the outers seem to use the power of the elements rather then the elements themselves. Each Guardian senshi does however have an energy attack Jupiter's attacks are all energy because lightning is an energy. Mar's Flame sniper is an energy attack where she forms an arrow of fire energy shoots it at you and THEN it sets you on fire. Mercury's Aqua Mirage is an energy attack and in my opinion is her strongest offensive attack. She takes water and transforms it in hundreds of little water energy projectiles that explode into a tidal wave once it hits the enemy before it explodes however it submerges the enemy into a ball of water and energy and transforms them into water. It is a brilliant attack of water and explosions all her other attacks are just water that either blasts you or freezes you depending on her mood at the moment. Venus' Love and Beauty shock is obviously an energy attack. So each Guardian senshi does have an energy attack but they also have the power to shoot an elemental at you. Uranus can't very well shoot the sky at you and I would say Neptune is the only Outer scout that you could say uses an elemental attack because Deep Submerge does spew salt water all over the place. The other outer's are undoubtedly energy attackers. You could easily call the Guardian Senshi the elemental's. Maybe you could call the Outer Senshi the forces because all their attacks seem to be forces of nature, tidal waves, earthquakes,destruction,time. What do you think?
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Post by RAPTOR 9:48 on May 2, 2005 11:16:27 GMT -5
incorrect!
the senshi use elemental forces as the natural Elements are so powerful. the most powerful being Fire and Light in terms of instant damage, Lightning in blacking out, and time in terms of eating away at things. the senshi appear to be using energy, but they have no Ki use as you can CLEARLY see. Sailors Moon, Venus, and Chibi Moon use posotive emotions to form powerful forces of light, light when harnessed can be quite devastating. Lightning is a natural power, and can destroy with instant results blacking out electrical feilds, and producing a more powerful element we know as Fire. Sailor Mercury has Water/Ice based attacks, and of course all side effects depend on her emotion toward the conflict. Mars uses straight up fire, and is able to create and manipulate it much like X-Mens Pyro, but to greater effect. Sailor Pluto uses a combination of Wind and Time, as when the force of Time is heavily focused to a small area it holds a strange glow, Saturns Death is usually unseen, but she causes a deathly light when she attacks with her DRR, Uranus uses heavily focused wind to her attacks, and Neptune uses the ocean for her effective powers. I'll elaborate more later.
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Post by PowerPC on May 8, 2005 11:26:34 GMT -5
incorrect! the senshi use elemental forces as the natural Elements are so powerful. the most powerful being Fire and Light in terms of instant damage, Lightning in blacking out, and time in terms of eating away at things. the senshi appear to be using energy, but they have no Ki use as you can CLEARLY see. Sailors Moon, Venus, and Chibi Moon use posotive emotions to form powerful forces of light, light when harnessed can be quite devastating. Lightning is a natural power, and can destroy with instant results blacking out electrical feilds, and producing a more powerful element we know as Fire. Sailor Mercury has Water/Ice based attacks, and of course all side effects depend on her emotion toward the conflict. Mars uses straight up fire, and is able to create and manipulate it much like X-Mens Pyro, but to greater effect. Sailor Pluto uses a combination of Wind and Time, as when the force of Time is heavily focused to a small area it holds a strange glow, Saturns Death is usually unseen, but she causes a deathly light when she attacks with her DRR, Uranus uses heavily focused wind to her attacks, and Neptune uses the ocean for her effective powers. I'll elaborate more later. Actually with what you just said you confirmed my original position. The Inner Senshi are all elementals in other words they create the element, Mercury can create Water out of nowhere, Mars can create fire, Jupiter can create lightning, and Venus can create metal and light. This is the big difference between the inners and the outers and why the outers are more powerful on an individual scale. Sailor Uranus uses the force of the wind to blast her enemies. Sailor Neptune uses the force of the ocean to drown her enemies. Saturn's destructive powers are a force she causes destruction you can not create destruction that would be an oxymoron. And Sailor Pluto uses the force of time, HOWEVER even though Saturn and Pluto are the most powerful of the outers at the same time that can also be the weakest. Point taken in Sailor Stars when Uranus and Neptune took them down. Because there powers all stem from the Silence Glaive and the Time Staff (or more precisely the Garnet Orb. Without the Silence Glaive Saturn is useless and without the garnet orb so is Pluto. Stick Neptune on a planet with no ocean and well sorry and Uranus seems to be the last one standing. This is what I am talking about with the Outer Senshi they are incredibly powerful and yet they all have an achilles heel that Galaxia took advantage of. The inner senshi create their elements. That is why Mercury is the senshi of water and not Neptune because Neptune can't create the water Mercury on the other hand can. In the Manga Deep Submerge looks like Neptune is flying at you with a wave following her so she is using the force of the sea. So she is the senshi of the sea. Which is why I think the four inner senshi are all elemental and the four outer senshi are all forces. You are right there is no Ki involved but the anime does kind of seem to portray the outers attacks as an energy blast not from the senshi but from the elements they control. Think about this one if you stuck the senshi in a place where the ones who depended on something didn't have what they depended on the only senshi left to fight would be Mercury, Mars, Venus, Jupiter, and Uranus. Because Neptune can't just create a sea and without the other's staffs they got nothin'. You can create wind if you got enough molecules together just like you do the same with water, Fire, Lightning, and Light. That is why the inner senshi are my favorites.
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Post by RAPTOR 9:48 on May 8, 2005 19:58:38 GMT -5
sounds a bit truthful, but my research shows that the glaive and orb enhance existing power within the senshi. it does seem without them that the senshi who use those items would be useless, but they require their powers, even a little, to maintain their transformed states. their elemental power comes from within, and take note, Uranus and Neptune are 2 outers who have used powers without the talismans, as such they are formidable fighters when unarmed. but when armed their powers are enhanced, Pluto and Saturn have grown dependant on their staffs and as such forgotten attacks useable when unarmed. thus rendering themselves helpless in a sence.
the inner senshi produce the supposed energies they need within themselves through a form of spiritual power control, a psychic based force in one sense, think about it, the inner senshi, and Uranus all posess the use of things the human body creates regularly.
Mercury: the human body is over 70% water, as such, this can come from within, or from anywhere.
Mars: the human body maintains a mouth temperature of 98.6 degrees ferenheight, as the human body develops heat naturally, this enabels Sailor Mars' power over flame, as a flame is a physichal manifestation of heat.
Jupiter: this one should be VERY VERY obvious. the human brain itself produces more than enough electricity thanks to the constant use, as such, this is where her powers lie, she can conjuour up a thunderbolt to enhance her existing power. if you've seen the Matrix you'd understand that the human brain does produce that much electricity.
Venus: a metobolic rush combined with raw emotion, this makes up her power, she contains so much love she is apparently unable to use it to life a happy life, as such it can be used destructivly, and since Minako has a blend of love and lust within her very soul, she in constantly producing the force she needs in combat, much like her fellow inner senshi.
Uranus: this ones a total DUH obvious, when you breathe, you're producing wind, as such, Uranus has a constant source of power, but only as long as she can breathe, if she cant breathe, then she is unable to use her powersas it seems to be concentrated oxygen, into a powerful focus ball.
seeing the point? each senshi produces their power from within, all need a source, and another example, the moon pair, Sailors Moon and Chibi-Moon have innocence focused into a destructive force, dont forget that innocence is pure good, as such, it's like nuclear good! getting more powerful as it ages since the Moons contain nothing but pure innocence/good.
see my point now? each senshi either produces their element, or has something to produce that force.
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Post by yatenkou on May 8, 2005 20:35:52 GMT -5
I want to ask a very important question here. That is do the Outer Senshi ever actually use an elemental power or do all their attacks seem to be energy attacks? It would seem to me that the latter is more correct the Outer Senshi's attacks are indeed based on an elemental however there attacks are energy blasts. Uranus' World Shaking is an energy blast formed from the energy of the sky and the earth. Neptune's Deep Submerge is an energy blast formed from the energy of the water in the sea. I will grant that the ball is propelled on a tidal wave and it kind of floods everything out while it is coming at you however it is obviously a blast of energy of Oceanic proportions. Saturn's attacks are obviously energy based attacks and so is Pluto's Dead Scream which is a blast of energy shot from the Garnet Orb. Now the Guardian Senshi actually create an elemental Jupiter's lightning, Mars Fire, Venus' light, and Mercury's Water. They all seem to actually shoot the elements at you while the outers seem to use the power of the elements rather then the elements themselves. Each Guardian senshi does however have an energy attack Jupiter's attacks are all energy because lightning is an energy. Mar's Flame sniper is an energy attack where she forms an arrow of fire energy shoots it at you and THEN it sets you on fire. Mercury's Aqua Mirage is an energy attack and in my opinion is her strongest offensive attack. She takes water and transforms it in hundreds of little water energy projectiles that explode into a tidal wave once it hits the enemy before it explodes however it submerges the enemy into a ball of water and energy and transforms them into water. It is a brilliant attack of water and explosions all her other attacks are just water that either blasts you or freezes you depending on her mood at the moment. Venus' Love and Beauty shock is obviously an energy attack. So each Guardian senshi does have an energy attack but they also have the power to shoot an elemental at you. Uranus can't very well shoot the sky at you and I would say Neptune is the only Outer scout that you could say uses an elemental attack because Deep Submerge does spew salt water all over the place. The other outer's are undoubtedly energy attackers. You could easily call the Guardian Senshi the elemental's. Maybe you could call the Outer Senshi the forces because all their attacks seem to be forces of nature, tidal waves, earthquakes,destruction,time. What do you think? I would attempt to answer your question however the fact that your ideas are all mashed together in a huge paragraphal blob makes me unable to read it. You really should consider using the enter key more.
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Post by PowerPC on May 8, 2005 23:55:54 GMT -5
sounds a bit truthful, but my research shows that the glaive and orb enhance existing power within the senshi... I think we are just saying the same thing back at each other. Neptune still can be very powerful without her Talisman but without and ocean nearby she would be powerless except for the talisman. And even though Saturn and Pluto can still remain transformed it has to do with their main powers. Pluto and Saturn would only be useful without their staffs IF Sailor Moon were still there and all the other Senshi were as well. They could channel their power into the silver crystal and fight that way otherwise they themselves could not attack without the Garnet Orb or the Silence Glaive. All those things are true what you said about the body but all there powers are reactions to atoms and how they function. Get enough h2o atoms together and you have water. Flame is manifestation of heat which is a manifestation of moving atoms. Lightning is a manifestation of electrons and well your right if Uranus isn't breathing she aint attackin'. But the point is the inner senshi are all based on Asian elements and they create the element they are based upon through whatever means but they still CREATE it. Neptune doesn't create the ocean she uses it. Uranus does not create the sky she uses it. Pluto does not create time she uses it and Saturn does not create destruction she causes it. All these things are forces of massive power but only occur under certain conditions. To have an ocean you have to have the right temperature, to have a sky you have to have an atmosphere. Time is a constant but the Garnet orb is the key and Destruction is a natural force of nature all things lead to chaos however the Silence Glaive is the key. All the outers are based on mythological Gods of various planetary things. The Inner senshi to some extent as well but it is obvious that they are elemental based because as Venus on this board once said the outers are VERY cliche. All I am saying and I don't know if this was Takeuchi-San's way of balancing things or not but the most powerful senshi have obvious weaknesses. Sailor Moon and Chibi moon all need articles to channel their power so do Saturn and Pluto. Uranus stands out because most planets have atmospheres and she also has powers from space as well so she will always have powers. Neptune is unfortunately for her tied to a large body of water. There are advantages to not being the most powerful fighter power wise on an individual level. Mercury, Mars, Jupiter, and Venus all create their element through whatever means but the fact is with these senshi you get something from nothing and with the others you get something from something. By the way Venus has the unique ability to change light into metal by way of her chain which is where I think her metal element shines nice and bright. After all she surprised the hell out of Pluto when she saved her butt!And People wonder if Venus should be the real leader Ha! I am happy she is the leader if I had my way, Venus would be leader Mercury would be next in rank as official adviser Mars and Jupiter would be back up forces and the outers would be last resorts. Anways sorry for that rant in the last paragraph oh and good job on that Jupiter post I really enjoyed it.
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Post by RAPTOR 9:48 on May 9, 2005 11:19:46 GMT -5
*ehem* incorrect positioning of the senshi. Sailor Jupiter is a primary attacker, not a backup soldier. Rei using her seals and flaming sniper is more a status ailment and backup shooter. Venus using her power to be a primary attacker is a failed experiment unless Jupiter is fighting head on as she is known too, Mercury is a strategist, intelligent by nature and by research, so she would fight the least, but be of assistance when needed. Front line: Jupiter & Venus, Second Line: Mars & Mercury(if situation calls for Mercurys power). havent you dont research on Mako-chan?
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Post by PowerPC on May 9, 2005 13:32:37 GMT -5
*ehem* incorrect positioning of the senshi. Sailor Jupiter is a primary attacker, not a backup soldier. Rei using her seals and flaming sniper is more a status ailment and backup shooter. Venus using her power to be a primary attacker is a failed experiment unless Jupiter is fighting head on as she is known too, Mercury is a strategist, intelligent by nature and by research, so she would fight the least, but be of assistance when needed. Front line: Jupiter & Venus, Second Line: Mars & Mercury(if situation calls for Mercurys power). havent you dont research on Mako-chan? There is no need to be rude and no it is not incorrect positioning of the senshi at all. Venus should be the leader Mercury should be next in command as a strategist and adviser and Mars and Jupiter should be the power behind the group. How would you like it if I told you your opinions were incorrect? Well first of all Venus is a decision maker she gets the job done has more battle experience and thus makes a great commander Mercury has always been the one they go to after her anyway. How many countless times has Mercury had to step up to the plate and save everyone's butts from their own stupidity, she even slapped Sailor Moon once to stop the hysterics. Mars Flame sniper is NOT her only power and in fact Fire Soul can be used to create widespread fire. She is confusing makes bad decisions acts before thinking and demonstrates a total power before brain tactic therefore she belongs as a force behind the guidance of Venus and Mercury. Yes I have researched Jupiter in fact she is my second favorite only to Mercury and in fact she is indeed a heads on fighter. So does not make decisions she ends fights with brute strength. In fact everytime she has made the decision something got blown away. Therefore she should be a fighter under the guidance of Venus and Mercury. Venus being the leader making the decision and Mercury being the adviser to the decisions. By the way using Mercury very little is a terrible mistake. Not only is Mercury's power vital to the defense of the team contrary to your notion of her being only good as a strategist she also has some powerful attacks. I don't suppose you have ever seen the full force of Shine Aqua Illusion or Mercury Aqua Mirage? Not to mention the Aqua Rhapsody which will effectively do away with a load of enemies in one torrential blast of super pressurized water that would make firemen scared. Plus Shabon Spray is probably one of the best attacks in the game because of the fantastic defense it provides. Point being Mercury aint just a strategist she is the puzzle piece that makes the team the well balanced team that it is. All Power and no brains or defense leads to absolutely nothing. *ehem* ;D
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Post by SuperSailorMercury on May 9, 2005 20:19:49 GMT -5
*ehem* incorrect positioning of the senshi. Sailor Jupiter is a primary attacker, not a backup soldier. Rei using her seals and flaming sniper is more a status ailment and backup shooter. Venus using her power to be a primary attacker is a failed experiment unless Jupiter is fighting head on as she is known too, Mercury is a strategist, intelligent by nature and by research, so she would fight the least, but be of assistance when needed. Front line: Jupiter & Venus, Second Line: Mars & Mercury(if situation calls for Mercurys power). havent you dont research on Mako-chan? I'm going to have to agree with Raptor. While powerful Mars and Mercury are, their attacks are more backing-up. Take Bubbles Blast for example: Mercury uses this attack to defend the Senshi and block them from view. Mars uses her seals to wear off demons. bwuahahahaha!
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Post by yatenkou on May 9, 2005 20:34:51 GMT -5
I'm going to have to agree with Raptor. While powerful Mars and Mercury are, their attacks are more backing-up. Take Bubbles Blast for example: Mercury uses this attack to defend the Senshi and block them from view. Mars uses her seals to wear off demons. bwuahahahaha! You have to agree however, that Mars' flame sniper and burning mandala attacks are destructive. Once again I'm going to take the snes game Another Story as an example: Moon: balanced Mercury: extreme defense Mars: extreme offense, low stamina and defense Jupiter: pretty good offense, lots and lots of HP Venus: Extremely useful combo attacks, she's was a pretty hard hitter as well Of course this is just in the reference of a game. I think Mars is a very offense oriented senshi. I strongly believe that Mercury is extremely defensive.
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Post by PowerPC on May 9, 2005 22:58:37 GMT -5
I'm going to have to agree with Raptor. While powerful Mars and Mercury are, their attacks are more backing-up. Take Bubbles Blast for example: Mercury uses this attack to defend the Senshi and block them from view. Mars uses her seals to wear off demons. bwuahahahaha! Yes but Mars is always going to be the Senshi of war and as such deserves to be out destroying things (Yay Fun! lol) And I am not saying Mercury is out on the front lines attacking as a main position fighter, I am saying she deserves to be second in command as adviser to Venus. Commanders usually aren't out there on the front lines they are in the back making the decisions telling the firepower where to go. What I mean by backing up the decisions is Mars and Jupiter are the power behind the decisions. Venus makes them Mercury advises them Mars and Jupiter reinforce them while Mercury and Venus are doing there thing taking down as many as possible. Ironically in the fighting games for S and SuperS Mercury and Venus' attacks are most alike in that you can easily combat Venus with Mercury and win because her attacks are the perfect counteraction however Mercury has a terrible time attacking Mars because the powers are at such odds with each other.
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Post by Creshosk on May 9, 2005 23:06:42 GMT -5
Yes but Mars is always going to be the Senshi of war. Outside of fanfiction, I've actually never heard her reffered to as this. . .
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Post by PowerPC on May 9, 2005 23:10:13 GMT -5
You have to agree however, that Mars' flame sniper and burning mandala attacks are destructive. Once again I'm going to take the snes game Another Story as an example: Moon: balanced Mercury: extreme defense Mars: extreme offense, low stamina and defense Jupiter: pretty good offense, lots and lots of HP Venus: Extremely useful combo attacks, she's was a pretty hard hitter as well Of course this is just in the reference of a game. I think Mars is a very offense oriented senshi. I strongly believe that Mercury is extremely defensive. I agree that Mercury's original role in the Senshi team was extreme Defense and that she still plays to that role today to some extent. However my feelings are that Mercury's power has really exponentially increased to allow her some pretty awesome offense attacks. I always come back to Aqua Mirage but it is my favorite. I would say Mercury has sort of changed her role a bit she is still a good defense but I would say she is more defense with power to boast. I great example of "extreme" defense would be silence wall THAT is extreme lol. So I wouldn't just throw her in the back as pure defense. I would make Mercury second in command only because she is such a great strategist. Mercury has always played that role anyway. In the Silver Millenium Princess Mercury was the reason why Serenity learned and she played a vital role in decision making. In the future as Ami and Sailor Mercury they still always look to Mercury in the jam. She navigated them out of the negaverse and well Mercury has a strength that some of the other Senshi could only wish for. She certainly changed Uranus' mind when she basically politely told her to shut up when they were up against Nehelenia and took charge in the situation allowing to actually win instead Uranus' nutty plan of attack wildly before she attacks us. I think it changed Uranus' view big time on Sailor Mercury as a Senshi. Then again Uranus does seem to be susceptible to the wishes of senshi with water control ;D By the way another story was a great game I always had to put Mars and Mercury in the front Moon in the middle and Venus and Jupiter in the back because Mercury and Mars not only packed a punch but they could absorb hits without real problems. The one time I put Jupiter and Venus in the front (this is with all stats and accesories mind you) they both got hit once and were down. Of course had I hit the enemy before they were killed I would have done some damage but Aqua Mirage in the game is really strong and so is Mars' firebird. The power reduction of Venus and Jupiter in the back was always negligable. I am not to good with the outers though the only outers I ever played with was Saturn the others I never really needed because the Inners were just a better more rounded team
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Post by PowerPC on May 9, 2005 23:12:21 GMT -5
Outside of fanfiction, I've actually never heard her reffered to as this. . . Right but she is based on the God of War. So you can still make the connection can't you. She exhibits all the traits anyway of a war like, uncontrolled temper which is basically Aries and Mars in a nutshell.
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Post by Creshosk on May 9, 2005 23:17:03 GMT -5
Right but she is based on the God of War. So you can still make the connection can't you. She exhibits all the traits anyway of a war like, uncontrolled temper which is basically Aries and Mars in a nutshell. Probably not as it doesn't work with all the senshi. Jupiter and Mercury for example. . . Edit: and it'd only be The Anime Mars . . as the manga mars is much more subdued personality wise.
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