Post by Zyppora on Sept 14, 2007 5:18:43 GMT -5
yumecosmos said:
Believe what you want to believe, but that's how it is in every history book I've read. The Bible does not say that gaining knowledge was a sin. The sin was doing what God told her not to do. Some have speculated that if Eve had eaten from the tree of life instead, the "test" would have been over and they would have been granted knowledge. But then again, since God is all-knowing, He must have known that Eve would eat the fruit when He put it there. (Which brings up another whole set of theological problems... but I digress.)
Galileo was, again, the church and not the Bible. It's quite easy to distinguish, really--you just read the Bible, and if it's not in there it's not based in scripture. The problem comes when people twist it to their own ends. But that's not a flaw in the concept of religion, it's just human nature.
It's called interpreting and it happens on a constant basis. The only difference is interpreting it yourself or having an instance interpret it for you. Everything in the bible is written in such a way that it's interpretable in many ways.
yumecosmos said:
Sure, the dubbing companies probably would have reacted differently if Haruka was a guy. But this topic was not originally about the controversy, or the changes made in the dub, or the general public's views on gay rights. (The general public could care less about Sailor Neptune, I'm sorry to say.) As far as I can tell the only question was, should Michiru go out with a guy or a girl? It would have been interesting to see people answer based on analysis of Michiru's character rather than lashing out defensively with canon-purist dogma or dub-bashing.It just seems like nobody actually ever talks about Haruka and Michiru without dragging the controversy into the discussion, and then politics dominates the discussion while the characters themselves fade into the background.
I think we've been over the fact that Haruka and Michiru are pretty much the ideal couple. That has little to do with them being lesbians, or them being changed into cousins in the dub. Fanon does little to change these views. The problem arises mainly because questions such as this one, whether or not Michiru should date a guy or a girl, are based on exactly that controversy caused by the dub. If a discussion is opened based on this controversy, how could we ever refrain from calling upon this controversy during the discussion?