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Post by yumecosmos on Jan 29, 2006 0:24:17 GMT -5
Ack. Why do half of the SeiyaxUsa supporters cite Seiya's good looks as a reason? First of all, that's not a good basis for a relationship. Second of all, they look similar! Usagi even says so!
MamoxUsa all the way... But not because it's destiny. In fact, destiny tried to drive them apart. Destiny held that the Earth and Moon must be separated. Destiny put their kingdoms at war and ruined their peaceful lives. But in spite of that Usagi and Mamoru keep coming back to each other. Consider the line in the Sailor Star Song: "Donna ni tsurai sadame demo oitsuzukeru kara." No matter how cruel fate is, I'll keep chasing you. That pretty much sums it up.
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Post by xyie on Feb 3, 2006 19:25:36 GMT -5
I think were talking about Mamoro not Prince Endymion, they might be the same person but it's different!!
I used to think that MamoxUsagi is a good pairing but after i saw SeiyaxUsa it became my choice, Seiya is way way better than Mamoro(not Endymion).. Seiya treats Usagi better than Mamoro.
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Post by yumecosmos on Feb 5, 2006 0:28:19 GMT -5
How is it different? Mamoru may not be the exact same person as Endymion, but they share the same soul and underneath it all they both care deeply for Usagi. That was the whole point of my last post. It's not just destiny that brings them together, it's the fact that they are soulmates. No matter what the circumstances are, Usagi and Mamoru keep finding their way back to one another.
Before you talk about how much better Seiya treats Usagi, consider the way Usagi acts toward Seiya compared to the way she acts toward Mamoru. When Usagi first met Mamoru she threw her test paper in his face, and then not only wouldn't apologize but proceeded to insult him. Even after they become a couple Usagi is often childish and selfish (i.e. getting jealous of the attention Mamoru gives to their daughter.) Seiya, on the other hand, saw a more polite and mature Usagi. And there's a reason for that: Usagi is more natural around Mamoru. She's comfortable around him, so she can be demanding. And Mamoru, for his part, puts up with it all because he can see past her klutzy, immature side to the beautiful woman she is at heart. He may not be as flashy and romantic as Seiya, but he stays quietly by her side and supports her through everything, even in the face of death itself. Seiya hasn't done that... and can't, because she has a duty of her own.
And that brings me to my third point. Hypothetically, for a moment, let's put Mamoru out of the picture. He never existed, Usagi never knew him, there was no destiny and no Silver Millenium. Usagi and Seiya still cannot be together, because Seiya already has a woman in her life, and that woman is Princess Kakyuu. I think too many UxS shippers leave Kakyuu out of the picture. In the end, Seiya will remain loyal to her princess, no matter what her feelings may be toward Usagi. Kakyuu is the one Fighter sings for and the one she lives and dies for. Seiya was only attracted to Usagi at first because Usagi reminded her of Kakyuu. But wait, you might argue. After Kakyuu comes back, Seiya still pursues Usagi. True, by that point Seiya's feelings for Usagi have grown beyond just her likeness to Kakyuu. But it might also be because Kakyuu is ever unreachable to Seiya. She's a princess while Fighter is her subject. They're of different stations in life, and Fighter knows it, plus (at least in the manga) Kakyuu already has a lover. But much like Venus-tachi are to Usagi, Fighter is loyal to Kakyuu and would never abandon her, even if it means leaving Usagi behind. She proves that in the end when she does leave Usagi behind to go back to Kinmoku. Ironically, in the end Seiya is separated from Usagi under almost identical circumstances: they're from different worlds, and Usagi already has someone else.
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Post by xyie on Feb 5, 2006 1:45:09 GMT -5
Seiya, on the other hand, saw a more polite and mature Usagi. And there's a reason for that: Usagi is more natural around Mamoru. She's comfortable around him, so she can be demanding. And Mamoru, for his part, puts up with it all because he can see past her klutzy, immature side to the beautiful woman she is at heart. and youre saying that Seiya doesnt see the klutzy, immature side of Usagi, are you kidding me?! He've seen that alot and thats one of the reason he likes her so much. I think Usagi acts the same whether its Seiya or Mamoro thats beside her..
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Post by yumecosmos on Feb 5, 2006 2:12:16 GMT -5
All right, I didn't mean to say that she's not clumsy around Seiya. Yes, she's still hyper and airheaded. But she's generally nice to Seiya, while she's not always so kind to Mamoru. I don't think she acts as selfish around Seiya (for example, demanding that he buy HER a more expensive present because Chibiusa's was better, or begging him to let her spend the night on a moment's notice, or assuming that he'll buy dinner for her and her friends, or getting jealous because she saw him talking to Michiru even though she had no reason to believe he was cheating on her.) I don't ever remember seeing her insult Seiya, while she has heaped plenty of insults upon Mamoru in the first season. I'm not trying to say that fighting makes Usagi and Mamoru a better couple, but my point is that Mamoru has seen that side of her, and he likes her anyway. (I for one think Mamoru may have enjoyed their bickering a little, otherwise why would he keep coming back for more?)
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Post by Lucky Seven on Jun 21, 2006 15:32:49 GMT -5
I used to think that MamoxUsagi is a good pairing but after i saw SeiyaxUsa it became my choice, Seiya is way way better than Mamoro(not Endymion).. Seiya treats Usagi better than Mamoro. Oh really? I couldn't have said that better myself. [ Zyppora ] Changed image to URL. [ /Zyppora ]
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Post by Zyppora on Jun 22, 2006 2:30:18 GMT -5
Yumecosmos: Of course Usagi is a little less enthusiastic towards Seiya. Seiya is a celebrity. If she's mean to him, he'll just pick one of the thousands of other fangirls. Mamoru doesn't have that kind of fanclub. He has Chibi-Usa, and frankly, no matter how hard the little rabbit tries, she's no match for Usagi when it comes to Mamoru. So she gets to call him names and bicker with him all she wants.
Rump Shaker: And Seiya doesn't save Usagi? Ever? Seriously, the #1 reason I'm an Usagi/Seiya shipper is because Seiya had the guts to show his feelings to her (and no, Mamoru's snide remarks do NOT qualify as 'showing one's feelings').
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Post by Lucky Seven on Jun 23, 2006 10:35:57 GMT -5
Then why did Mamoru propose to her? Why does he tell her he loves her? Why do they kiss so much?
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Post by Zyppora on Jun 23, 2006 11:31:45 GMT -5
Yes, after a year of calling names and making remarks, he does. Seiya didn't have that kind of time with her, but apparently, he didn't need to.
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Post by Thunder Clap Zap on Jul 10, 2006 18:17:50 GMT -5
Usagi doesn't belong with Seiya. Usagi and Mamoru have very loyal love for each other, and that is never going to change. Mamoru leaves for ages, and some guy comes along claiming that he loves her, and she still refuses, and wants to be with Mamoru. Usagi does not love Seiya. It doesn't matter who treats her better, being treated like a princess doesn't equal love, and Mamoru treats her fine anyway. You cant take away the one she loves, just so she can be with someone she doesn't love, just because you think it would be better with her. And it also doesn't matter if Seiya had the guts to confess his love for Usagi. If she doesn't love Seiya, she doesn't love him. And she doesn't. Usagi has risked life and limb for Mamoru, and Mamoru has done the same for Usagi, even when he didn't know who the hell she was (R, ep. 59) because hadn't had his memory restored from final events of the first season, that's love for you. Seiya constantly harassed Usagi about being with him (even when he knew that she was already in a very loving relationship with Mamoru, which is a very rude thing to do. And if you really love someone wouldn't you want them to be happy? And did he not know the she loved Mamoru and was happy with him, due to the numerous time that she told him? Yet he constantly tried to wreck their relationship for his own selfish desires. He was only thinking about himself), and Usgai still refused because SHE DOES NOT LOVE HIM. She loves Mamoru, and Mamoru loves her. End of discussion.
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Post by Lucky Seven on Jul 10, 2006 19:02:04 GMT -5
Well said, TCZ! High five!
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Post by LouSMFAN on Jul 10, 2006 21:58:11 GMT -5
Usagi doesn't belong with Seiya. Usagi and Mamoru have very loyal love for each other, and that is never going to change. Mamoru leaves for ages, and some guy comes along claiming that he loves her, and she still refuses, and wants to be with Mamoru. Usagi does not love Seiya. It doesn't matter who treats her better, being treated like a princess doesn't equal love, and Mamoru treats her fine anyway. You cant take away the one she loves, just so she can be with someone she doesn't love, just because you think it would be better with her. And it also doesn't matter if Seiya had the guts to confess his love for Usagi. If she doesn't love Seiya, she doesn't love him. And she doesn't. Usagi has risked life and limb for Mamoru, and Mamoru has done the same for Usagi, even when he didn't know who the hell she was (R, ep. 59) because hadn't had his memory restored from final events of the first season, that's love for you. Seiya constantly harassed Usagi about being with him (even when he knew that she was already in a very loving relationship with Mamoru, which is a very rude thing to do. And if you really love someone wouldn't you want them to be happy? And did he not know the she loved Mamoru and was happy with him, due to the numerous time that she told him? Yet he constantly tried to wreck their relationship for his own selfish desires. He was only thinking about himself), and Usgai still refused because SHE DOES NOT LOVE HIM. She loves Mamoru, and Mamoru loves her. End of discussion. Very well said! I agree with Rump Shaker. I couldn't have said it any better.
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Post by The Godess of Destruction on Jul 10, 2006 23:43:03 GMT -5
oki will say this to all of you, mamoru leave usagui to go and study i am not saying that is bad, but you dont say that seiya dint whant her to be happy, if you see clearly in the end seiya say to mamoru take care of her and his final word for usagui was so touching. (dont know how to espell that). and seiya protect usagui a lot. and when they say is destiny not all that is destiny is the better for us.
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Post by Lucky Seven on Jul 11, 2006 0:47:39 GMT -5
Geez, you guys don't know when to quit, do you?
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Post by Thunder Clap Zap on Jul 11, 2006 2:08:48 GMT -5
oki will say this to all of you, mamoru leave usagui to go and study i am not saying that is bad, but you dont say that seiya dint whant her to be happy, if you see clearly in the end seiya say to mamoru take care of her and his final word for usagui was so touching. (dont know how to espell that). and seiya protect usagui a lot. and when they say is destiny not all that is destiny is the better for us. Yes, you're right about that. Destiny may not be the best for us, but if you'd notice, I didn't say a thing about destiny in my post, because when it comes to love destiny may not matter. And the only reason Seiya told Mamoru to take care of Usagi is because he finally realized that he wasn't going to get her (and about time too), and so he wished for Mamoru to be good to her, so its difficult for me to acknowledge those words from him. Its basically like, "I tried to steal you away from your boyfriend time and time again, but now that I have to leave, I'll go ahead and wish you well with him." Kind of bs, right? I believe that he meant it, but his actions all throughout the series, and then those last ditch words make me roll my eyes. My reasoning still stands, Usagi x Mamoru, always. P.S. - How DARE Seiya kiss Usagi. It's one thing to confess your feelings, its another thing to harass and make a move on someone who's already said she wants nothing to do with you, and someone who's already told you she's in a relationship with someone she loves. How f**kin' dare he lay his lips on her. I really wanted to beat his face in when he did that crap.
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