Post by Zyppora on May 18, 2006 5:54:15 GMT -5
creshosk said:
zyppora said:
Maybe there's 5% of all games out for consoles that don't have a PC version. I am NOT going to buy a console simply to play those 5%, of which I KNOW I don't even like over half of them. Cost-wise a PC is more efficient on this point.
I'm not just talking about emulation (although that category does cover a LOT of games originally not meant for PC), but also ports of games. And of course, I remember back in the days PS1 games came out as a 'PAL' version, which were aslo playable on a PC.
creshosk said:
yeah like switching disks is such a pain in the ass... Especially since you have to do that with a large number of pc games anyway.
But I don't, because I DOWNLOAD. Double-click and away she goes, no disks involved, no paying involved.
creshosk said:
and yet when ever there's a new game released that's too beefy for your current pc *coughmightandmagic5cough* you have to go out and spend more money on a pc component to get it to work. and pc's do not have full backwards compatability, I know of quite a few games that don't work anymore.
I'm going to take up the Sony attitude about the HoMM5 matter and ignore all statements about it. And do you mind summing up some of those non-working games?
creshosk said:
ha! Now you're just straight up lying to make your point seem stronger. you know its expensive to get the top-of-the-line stuff to ensure that you won't need to upgrade again for another 2 years.
MoBo: $50 - (S)ATA, PGA478, PC3200
CPU: $80 - CEL 2.5GHz, PGA478
RAM: $50 - 512MB, PC3200
HDD: $80 - 200GB, 7200RPM, 8MB Cache
GFX: $50 - ASUS ATI A9250, 128MB
TOTAL: $310
Wow, that's as much as any selfrespecting console these days.
The only thing that's not top-of-the-line out of those is the CPU, and I choose Celeron simply because it's the same as a P4 downgrade and easily saves $100+. It works great for me.
creshosk said:
Yeah I find that hilarious, your comp is two years old and you already have to upgrade the video card... 7 years my ass. I thought you knew what the hell you were talking about.
My old vidcard would be perfectly fine for another 5 years of using my computer, but the fact that I really wanted this game pursued me.
creshosk said:
I just got a bunch of new games for my ps2, and guess what? They all are just plug & play. put it in and start playing.
Great! And how much did you pay for those games? I paid $0 for all my downloaded games, which work perfectly fine.
creshosk said:
the PS2 was never 700 the ps2 was inuitially launched at $200 less than your computer.
The gamecube also launched at $200
Just goes to show you don't know what the hell you're talking about.
yeah the X-Box launched at $300 it was pretty much the first console to launch higher than $200 which even the atari launched at.
so no, the consoles were always less than or equal to the cost of your comp.
Yes, maybe in the US or wherever. Unfortunately they're not that cheap here in EU.
creshosk said:
or not since it's nintendo, and when has nintendo ever released something for the pc that it has on the console?
I play a good batch of SNES/GBA games on my PC, thank you very much.
Several titles:
- Sailor Moon: Another Story
- Pokemon Sapphire/Ruby
- Chrono Cross
- Magic Knights Rayearth
creshosk said:
Oh yeah you don't know jack about video games and only pretend that you do. maybe if you'd have been paying attention to the whole video game market rather than just your pc games you'd have known that nintendo doesn't release its games onto the PC speficially so you have to buy their consoles. Unlike Microsoft who... pretty much releases all of their first person games onto the pc and wind up losing the conso0le sales because of it.
I don't know jack about video games because I'm not a gamer. I'm a devver and an internet addict, but not a gamer. I don't give a damn about the console market.
creshosk said:
I play super smash bros melee on my up-to-date console... something that your comp can't do. and yes, I can still play mario bros on my older console as well.
Good for you. I don't WANT my computer to do that.
creshosk said:
That's funny cxonsidering the dust sleeves came standard... it was probably the stores removing the sleeves so that you'd have to buy new games when they stopped working, since I've never not had a nes game that came with the dust jacket.
Funny my ass. None of the games I bought work anymore. Thank IPU there's downloading.
creshosk said:
Not user input. why do you think there is anti-virus and anti-spyware software if this was wanted things.
and still not a problem I've ever faced on any console.
or another user accessing the program remotly via unprotected ports to dceposit a trojan...
the point is that there isn't always somwething the infected computer has to do to have it run on their computer.
And again, not a problem with the consoles.
Not YET a problem with the consoles. The same could be said about cellphones not a year ago. The first viruses have been created for smartphones and PDA's should watch out as well these days. Consoles are still too 'out-of-phase' for that shit, but as soon as they get internet-related abilities, such as MS' Live service or Wii's browser functionality, you'll see that viruses for consoles will appear as well.
creshosk said:
and this helps support the consoles are better for gaming argument cause extra knowledge isn't needed. but that doesn't mean that the user of consoles don't know anything about computers.
I shall refer to my previous statement about consoles being 'out-of-phase'.
creshosk said:
Since I was the one to remind you that you could store images in dll files I think I'm entitled to a least a little credit as a knowledgeable computer user. lol
Hmmz, agreed. If I had the log on this computer, I'd post it here. I would have figured it out by myself btw, same way I figured out the 'how' of putting images into a dll.
creshosk said:
especially considering the work that I put in that helped to get the cow level thing with Blizzards games.
I guess, though they still constantly have problems and crashes. As noted by their newest console... but then some of it is marketing gimick, gotta buy a new one when your old one stops working, or the repair/patch. whatever... and of course there's that whole buying a new os thing every few years with M$... 95, 98, 2000, 2001, 2004... we're justy about due for a new os you have to go out and buy and install... something about some sort of longhorn... or something... my os on my cube has been up to date for years and I'don't need to install a new os.
If MS thinks I'm gonna buy MS Vista they're dumbasses. Yesterday I noticed WinXP Retail version in the store and it was 422 EUR. I have a phat 4Mbps download connection the net and I plan on using it. And if that's called piracy, then so be it. I'd rather pirate myself than support the real criminals by paying for way overpriced software.
creshosk said:
heh. again lack of knowledge... You can go online and browse sites on a console like the ps2 or the x-box.
I'll be awaiting the news articles about the first console viruses.
creshosk said:
Sure you can. they have keyboards you can buy and such.
hell you can IM people on the ds with the "game" ping pals.
Awesome. I can do all that stuff + much more and have beeng doing it for the past 5+ years.
creshosk said:
I'd wager that it was a hardware issue.
Mind giving a source or decent argument for this statement?
creshosk said:
I can NOT plug ANY of my console controllers directly into my computer. there aren't the proper ports. I need to get an adapter.
Most console manufacturers launch PC versions of their console controllers, that's what the GamePort is used for. Nowadays, USB is becoming quite popular. And for those who controllers that don't have a PC version, I'm sure there are convertors. Ebay/google/etc.
creshosk said:
because even monkies can put the round peg into the round hole. but you can't put the square peg into the round hole.
PS to USB - www.xgamegear.com/cvtps2usb.html
PS2 to USB - www.kanection.co.uk/product.php/34/1/
XBox to USB - www.engadget.com/2005/09/06/microsofts-doing-an-xbox-360-controller-for-the-pc-too/
XBox 360 to USB - www.microsoft.com/hardware/gaming/productdetails.aspx
N64 to USB - www.wishtech.com/the_adaptoid.htm
For the more advanced gamers/computer experts/electronics experts:
Gamecube to USB - www.int03.co.uk/crema/hardware/gamecube/gc-control.htm
I didn't bother looking for (S)NES controllers for PC, but I'm sure google can help you with that.
And I didn't bother looking for Wii/PS3 controllers for PC, because they're not launched yet
creshosk said:
Nintendo knows what it's doing. they have been around the longest, and managed to not get sued since they didn't break the patent with their controllers... unlike Sony and Microsoft...
Yes Nintendo knows what it's doing. It's not going to take the same thing and give it better graphics or w/e, and up the prices even more, and bring out the same games over and over again (although I've seen enough of Mario and Donkey Kong to call this one off), Nintendo comes up with new, innovative stuff at a cheap price. This does allow for the likes of Sony and MS to take the same ideas and put it into more expensive consoles (I mean, really, where's the style in Sony using the same kind of motionsensitive controller as Nintendo does?), but by that time the Big N has already met its ROI point, mainly because of the low manufacturing/retail costs.
creshosk said:
leading question. So I could go and talk about Kakashi in a sailor Mercury thread and use the argument
"So Sailor Mercury and anime characters are two different things entrirely?"
Very nice that you allow for that justification.
Nope, because Sailor Mercury and Kakashi are two different things entirely. They are indirectly connected to each other via the 'Anime Characters' category, but that's really all. The Wii and 'consoles' are directly connected, since the Wii IS a console. Heh, blame my OOP skillz for looking at it in this way.
creshosk said:
and that's excuse to turn this thread into a "consoles suck" thread?
Might you QUOTE where I said those two words?
creshosk said:
up to a certain point. as the n64 stuff and up doesn't emulate properly.
you want a medal? 95 can't run the n64 stuff and up properly either.[/quote]
My bro has an N64 laying around in case I EVER (unlikely) want to play another N64 game.
creshosk said:
Why would you do that?
I don't. Isn't that the beauty of it?
I'm not dependent on support from Sony for a reason: I don't play console games.
creshosk said:
yes because it's soooo hard to put the disc in the drive and start playing the game...
Okay, I gotta give it to you: Sony installs its shit by itself ... including the DRMs and other spyware.
creshosk said:
Calling it something else doesn't make it anymore legal.
But what's your point? You don't need to call tech support for video games, PC games you might if you have troubleshooting issues.
"Hello? My game doesn't seem to work."
"Have you tried blowing the dust out of the slots?"
"Hello? My game doesn't seem to work."
"Are there any scratches or dirt on the game CD?"
"Yes. I see it now."
"You may send it to us and we'll replace it."
May sound like simple stuff but to the average person it's a solution.
creshosk said:
and it's still illegal.
So is installing a rootkit without the user's permission.
creshosk said:
IT was what was implied.
"If I was a braindead moron I'd live in the EU as well, where did I say that everyone who lived in the EU were braindead morons?"
get the picture?
Well, that just tells me more about you than the average European, but the sad thing is that it's true.
Consider the average IQ of a European, and then consider that over half of them is below that. (same goes for Americans, Asians, etc. mind you).
creshosk said:
Ha! Nice red herring.
Emulators haven't been viable since the 64
"Then why do people make pc games?"
not very nice of you to try and confuse the issue with a nonsequiter argument like that.
Confuse the issue? Not really. This is a PC gaming vs. Console gaming argument we're in, and I think it's pretty relevant.
creshosk said:
like your video card? at least the ps2 lasted more than two years.
The video card is.
loooks like you thought wrong eh?
No, because it's functioning properly in another computer right now.
creshosk said:
since the cube has been running for 6 years... and the ps2 even longer...
As a webserver/fileserver?
creshosk said:
Ah but you don't use that to run the top of the line games do you?
Like I said: webserver/fileserver. Not gaming machine.
creshosk said:
your primary computer? yeah your video card needs to be upgraded to play your new game... so no, no exageration. you just proved my point with M&M5
I don't see any of your consoles play HoMM5.
creshosk said:
as opposed to put the disc in and play?
oh and you forgot that that's a best case scenerio... looks like that wasn't the case for M&M5 eh?
Nope, for HoMM5 it was doubleclick -> Play. No disks involved. The downloaded version that is.
creshosk said:
and now you need the extra technical knowledge just to be able to troubleshoot the problem you're having with M&M5...
So it's better to remain dumb and resort to consoles? I'm proud of my knowledge of computers and will not discard it at the first issue.
creshosk said:
exactly my point.
But when it DOES break, YOU need to call support, while I pull out the screwdriver.
creshosk said:
I play games, I don't worry about the need to upgrade my hardware whenever a new game is released that outbeefs my old hardware... at least not as frequently as with pc gaming.
Instead, you buy a new console -> way to save your pennies.
creshosk said:
HA! prove it. show me a place where I can get a used pc for cheaper than $99 (the cost I payed to get this comp when I first got it used.)
ANY auction website! (here's a hint: E B A Y) You want me to give you the URL too?
creshosk said:
and I do play, I play all the time without worrying about some major company getting on my case.
Same here, as I'm not in the target group If I were to copy + sell my downloaded material, then yes, I'd have to worry (and I doubt I would).
creshosk said:
so you need two pcs to play all the games?
Gee... what did you say about that?
As opposed to your 6 consoles?
creshosk said:
pointing out you contradicted yourself.
oh and looks like your comp didn't go three years before needing to be opened up and a component swapped.
My cube is at least double that.
Yep. But the total cost of ownership of your cube + games is at least double my TCO of PC + games.
creshosk said:
well if you want to play any of the newer games that aren't available on PC...
Then I download them. And if I can't, well, that's too bad for the game.
creshosk said:
and console gaming is cheaper than pc gaming, cause I don't have to upgrade my console every three years.
I don't spend money on games, or another PC with which to come on here and brag about it.
creshosk said:
and dude the swutch box I have I picked up for a buck... yeah I'm such a millionaire that I spend less on console gaming than with pc gaming.
good luck with the compatability issues and worrying if your new graphics card supports all of your other games by the way.
*buys new console game and plays it without worry*
I won't but thanks for the tip. You just go ahead 'n spend more money like the good little taxpayer you are.
creshosk said:
because it's such a pain in the ass to pull one disc out and put a new one in... sooo lazy... and yet you can sit here and respond to me in such a complex way...
I like being lazy and complex. It's the reason I'm on here while I should be working.
creshosk said:
Except to play all the games that you can't on PC?
We're not a gaming family. We enjoy the crosswords/sudoku in the newspaper but that's really it lately.
creshosk said:
OR are you forgetting that PCs aren't as omnipotent as you're making them out to be?
How would they not be? With a bit of engineering skills you can make a computer do whatever you want it to do.
creshosk said:
cop out excuse.
maybe the fact that the gamecube games cannot be read by a regular pc leads the people who write the emulatorsd to be unable to emulate the cube?
cause guess what? there is demand to emulate all of the consoles, cause of people like you ewho would rather play on a pc than a console.
it's not the lack of demand, it's the lack of supply.
cause people do.
or are you telling me you can't think of anyone that would like to play more of the new console games on a pc?
not even you?
Not even me. HoMM5 is NOT a console game.
creshosk said:
yeah, I only had to spend about 30.00 on Soul caliber three. you know the new one?
and about 40.00 on Kh2 also another new game.
So that's 30 + 40 = 70 for two new games. I go to mininova.com/torrentspy.com/etc. and spend only a few clicks and a few gigs of BW (which is unmonitored by my ISP, fair use policy) and $0.
creshosk said:
and I poped them in and played. cause my ps2's graphics card didn't need to be upgraded.
95%
yeah, you don't like 95% of the new games? You're not a gamer.
I thought I was clear on that. And 95% is not a realistic number. Can you give me a source of where you're pulling that from (I assume out of your ass)?
creshosk said:
zyppora said:
On a sidenote: you REALLY need to learn how to quote stuff properly. Took me 10 minutes to get the whole quoting stuff in this post sorted out.but yeah, ya big baby be more concered with the box than the toy that came in it.
Sorry for being picky, but you gotta be if you wanna make it in the software world.
creshosk said:
zyppora said:
Meh, I won't today. I'll just stick to my 'one multi-console (PC) is better than many single-consoles' argument.Oops...
I never counted the computer you're on right now.
And if you really wanna know, I have three computers: a current one, a spare one and a webserver/fileserver one.
creshosk said:
zyppora said:
And I never bashed it. Sure I gave some anti-console signals in my previous posts in this topic, but to call them bashing would be blowing it out of proportion a bit ... IMO that is.yes that's right an opinion can be wrong when it goes against facts.
In my opinion there is no force that constantly pulls us toward greater bodies of mass. of course go against established fact too often and you might start to look crazy.
Okay, point taken. Now where's the 'fact' of my bashing a console/console gamer? Mind clearing that up for me?
EDIT:
SPECS OF WINDOWS VISTA:
www.microsoft.com/windowsvista/getready/capable.mspx
A Windows Vista Capable PC includes at least:
* A modern processor (at least 800MHz).
* 512 MB of system memory.
* A graphics processor that is DirectX 9 capable.
My previous vidcard supports DX9. By the time Vista comes out, my computer will be around 3 years old (spring 2007 or so), and knowing MicroSoft, it'll take'em at least another 5 years to make a new OS (just like it took them to make Vista) that MIGHT just be too heavy for my current computer config.
3 + 5 = 8 ... that means my computer will last for 8 years total. Surely there'll be Xbox, Xbox 360, Xbox 1080, Xbox 2160, PS, PS2, PS3, PS4, PS5, PS6, Wii, Mii, j00, u5, and 7h3m to play games on by the time my computer needs another hardware upgrade.