Maybe there's 5% of all games out for consoles that don't have a PC version. I am NOT going to buy a console simply to play those 5%, of which I KNOW I don't even like over half of them. Cost-wise a PC is more efficient on this point.
actully it'd be quite a bit higher than that. since there hasn't been decent emulation since the n64 . . . the majority of games is actually console only. like maybe 5% have a PC version.
Oohw, yea, there's a major pain in the ass, moving the mouse to the icon.
yeah like switching disks is such a pain in the ass... Especially since you have to do that with a large number of pc games anyway.
Yeeaahhhh ... *stares along in the void* I think you're blowing the PC world change rate out of proportion a bit. Computers these days are built to last at least 7 years, including backwards compatibility on software (which includes games). It wouldn't be wise for a game creator to not support the month-old computer systems.
and yet when ever there's a new game released that's too beefy for your current pc *coughmightandmagic5cough* you have to go out and spend more money on a pc component to get it to work. and pc's do not have full backwards compatability, I know of quite a few games that don't work anymore.
Right.
99 is too much for an outdated console.
125 is too much for a graphics card.
75 is too much for a motherboard.
68 is your proc, and should be the most expensive part of your computer (besides the monitor of course). It was to me at least.
ha! Now you're just straight up lying to make your point seem stronger. you know its expensive to get the top-of-the-line stuff to ensure that you won't need to upgrade again for another 2 years.
Yeah I find that hilarious, your comp is two years old and you already have to upgrade the video card... 7 years my ass. I thought you knew what the hell you were talking about.
I just got a bunch of new games for my ps2, and guess what? They all are just plug & play. put it in and start playing.
When I bought my 300 computer, PS2 was 700,
the PS2 was never 700 the ps2 was inuitially launched at $200 less than your computer.
The gamecube also launched at $200
Just goes to show you don't know what the hell you're talking about.
and XBox was somewhere around there also.
yeah the X-Box launched at $300 it was pretty much the first console to launch higher than $200 which even the atari launched at.
so no, the consoles were always less than or equal to the cost of your comp.
Then I don't play them. Easy as that. I'm not gonna buy a console just for one game.
Maybe coz they're not popular enough? If there was a high demand for GC games on PC, then there would be something like that, believe me.
or not since it's nintendo, and when has nintendo ever released something for the pc that it has on the console?
Oh yeah you don't know jack about video games and only pretend that you do. maybe if you'd have been paying attention to the whole video game market rather than just your pc games you'd have known that nintendo doesn't release its games onto the PC speficially so you have to buy their consoles. Unlike Microsoft who... pretty much releases all of their first person games onto the pc and wind up losing the conso0le sales because of it.
I play the original Mario Bros on my pretty-much-up-to-date computer. How old you do want your game to be? Pong?
I play super smash bros melee on my up-to-date console... something that your comp can't do. and yes, I can still play mario bros on my older console as well.
Gee, that means Nintendo ripped me off by NOT including dust sleeves on my games.
That's funny cxonsidering the dust sleeves came standard... it was probably the stores removing the sleeves so that you'd have to buy new games when they stopped working, since I've never not had a nes game that came with the dust jacket.
Yep. Because viruses and spyware are still ormal software programs that require input in order to function.
Not user input. why do you think there is anti-virus and anti-spyware software if this was wanted things.
and still not a problem I've ever faced on any console.
As you, being a data droid, will probably know, every and any single program requires input. Even if it's just the click of a button or the call to the Main() method. Spyware and viruses are just the same. The user just doesn't doubleclick an icon, but instead visits a website or opens an email. Recognition is the first step towards prevention.
or another user accessing the program remotly via unprotected ports to dceposit a trojan...
the point is that there isn't always somwething the infected computer has to do to have it run on their computer.
And again, not a problem with the consoles.
Of course it is. But I don't necessarily see that as a problem. I had to learn the hard way what spyware was. Now I know. If I can learn about it, so can others. And those who don't, well, that's called natural selection.
and this helps support the consoles are better for gaming argument cause extra knowledge isn't needed. but that doesn't mean that the user of consoles don't know anything about computers.
Since I was the one to remind you that you could store images in dll files I think I'm entitled to a least a little credit as a knowledgeable computer user. lol
especially considering the work that I put in that helped to get the cow level thing with Blizzards games.
I remember that vid, it was hilarious.
Windows has improved in the mean time though (gods, can't believe I'm actually defending M$).
I guess, though they still constantly have problems and crashes. As noted by their newest console... but then some of it is marketing gimick, gotta buy a new one when your old one stops working, or the repair/patch. whatever... and of course there's that whole buying a new os thing every few years with M$... 95, 98, 2000, 2001, 2004... we're justy about due for a new os you have to go out and buy and install... something about some sort of longhorn... or something... my os on my cube has been up to date for years and I'don't need to install a new os.
Of course not. You see, it's not possible to be creative and make your own programs or go online to browse a few sites on a console.
heh. again lack of knowledge... You can go online and browse sites on a console like the ps2 or the x-box.
Hell, you can't even type a letter on a console.
Sure you can. they have keyboards you can buy and such.
hell you can IM people on the ds with the "game" ping pals.
Lack of knowledge is usually the biggest connectivity problem. The term RTFM was put into existence for that.
I'd wager that it was a hardware issue.
I can NOT plug ANY of my console controllers directly into my computer. there aren't the proper ports. I need to get an adapter.
because even monkies can put the round peg into the round hole. but you can't put the square peg into the round hole.
I would too if I was them. MS has the OS market to compensate for losses in the console market. Sony has BMG and electrical appliances but are just too pissy and cheap to take the risk, but what does Nintendo have? Pokemon?
Nintendo knows what it's doing. they have been around the longest, and managed to not get sued since they didn't break the patent with their controllers... unlike Sony and Microsoft...
So consoles and Nintendo Wii are two different things entirely?
leading question. So I could go and talk about Kakashi in a sailor Mercury thread and use the argument
"So Sailor Mercury and anime characters are two different things entrirely?"
Very nice that you allow for that justification.
I don't see anyone talking about awesome the Wii is.
and that's excuse to turn this thread into a "consoles suck" thread?
Well, yes, that's always a risk, but I'm set for a few more years.
looks like you were wrong...
And besides, as I said, I'm playin oldskool stuff on emulators,
up to a certain point. as the n64 stuff and up doesn't emulate properly.
and they even run on Win95 if I want.
you want a medal? 95 can't run the n64 stuff and up properly either.
Not when I bought my computer, back in those days ALL (not exaggerating) consoles were over 300. PS2 was 700 or perhaps even more.
not around here. but looks like that has been covered.
No, 'support' is when I give Sony Customer Service a call and ask if they have game X, they say 'yes'.
Why would you do that?
Support is when I go to the Sony website and search for 'help on installing game Y', I get a hit saying 'How to install game Y'.
yes because it's soooo hard to put the disc in the drive and start playing the game...
Support is NOT hunting down those who still want to play the game but can't find it anywhere and as such try software that's freely distributed under the name 'abandonware'.
Calling it something else doesn't make it anymore legal.
But what's your point? You don't need to call tech support for video games, PC games you might if you have troubleshooting issues.
Do you know why Sony is one of the few that do this? Because the others don't care about it anymore. The general rule about abandonware is that the trouble and cost of hunting down the spreaders doesn't live up to the profit should the 'perpetrators' have bought the game in the store. Sony just has a complex about copyrights 'n stuff like that (to prove my statement, I shall have the rootkit testify).
and it's still illegal.
Of course not, where did I state that? But I do state that a computer illiterate gamer is easier persuaded into buying a console than a computer literate.
IT was what was implied.
"If I was a braindead moron I'd live in the EU as well, where did I say that everyone who lived in the EU were braindead morons?"
get the picture?
Then I wonder why pplz still make PC games at all.
Ha! Nice red herring.
Emulators haven't been viable since the 64
"Then why do people make pc games?"
not very nice of you to try and confuse the issue with a nonsequiter argument like that.
And PS3 is coming out soon and then PS2 will become end-of-life (eventually). Same with computers, I know.
like your video card? at least the ps2 lasted more than two years.
My 2 year old comp is not obsoleted yet,
The video card is.
loooks like you thought wrong eh?
I have a comp from 1999 running WinXP as a webserver/fileserver. Celeron 600MHz, 128MB RAM is all it's got. Will your GC/PS2/Xbox be able to do that after 6 years?
since the cube has been running for 6 years... and the ps2 even longer...
'All the time', boy, are we exaggerating or what? I refer to my webserver, first and last hardware update it ever got was a 64MB->128MB RAM upgrade and that was somewhere in 2002/2003.
Ah but you don't use that to run the top of the line games do you?
your primary computer? yeah your video card needs to be upgraded to play your new game... so no, no exageration. you just proved my point with M&M5
Insert disk -> Press Next -> Press Install -> Press Complete -> Doubleclick Desktop Icon -> play.
as opposed to put the disc in and play?
oh and you forgot that that's a best case scenerio... looks like that wasn't the case for M&M5 eh?
If you can't even do that, then yes, you're better off with a console.
and now you need the extra technical knowledge just to be able to troubleshoot the problem you're having with M&M5...
Troubleshooting? As far as I know, there's not troubleshooting required on a console.
exactly my point.
I'd hate to think about what you do with your consoles.
I play games, I don't worry about the need to upgrade my hardware whenever a new game is released that outbeefs my old hardware... at least not as frequently as with pc gaming.
You can get a used PC for 25.
HA! prove it. show me a place where
I can get a used pc for cheaper than $99 (the cost I payed to get this comp when I first got it used.)
That's right. You play safe or you don't play at all. And with the new AACS, you play when Sony/Philips/Nintendo/MS allows you to play.
and I do play, I play all the time without worrying about some major company getting on my case.
True. Glad I have an 'older' PC to give that little issue a workaround.
so you need two pcs to play all the games?
Gee... what did you say about that?
... Now what kind of argument is that?
pointing out you contradicted yourself.
oh and looks like your comp didn't go three years before needing to be opened up and a component swapped.
My cube is at least double that.
Okay, so you're saying I should not only spend waaay too much money by buying different consoles, then spend waaay too much money on games that I could have downloaded for free or for 'free' on a PC, and THEN I gotta spend EVEN MORE money on a switchbox? You act like I'm a millionaire.
well if you want to play any of the newer games that aren't available on PC...
and console gaming is cheaper than pc gaming, cause I don't have to upgrade my console every three years.
and dude the swutch box I have I picked up for a buck... yeah I'm such a millionaire that I spend less on console gaming than with pc gaming.
good luck with the compatability issues and worrying if your new graphics card supports all of your other games by the way.
*buys new console game and plays it without worry*
Yea, nowadays they do. It's a recent development that's been around for ages in the form of a PC.
because it's such a pain in the ass to pull one disc out and put a new one in...
sooo lazy... and yet you can sit here and respond to me in such a complex way...
Yea, they're pretty atechnical. It would have been a lot easier if they were as computer literate as I was, because then we wouldn't have had to buy all those consoles.
Except to play all the games that you can't on PC?
OR are you forgetting that PCs aren't as omnipotent as you're making them out to be?
And I think I actually wanna play games, and not play around at playing games. Sorry dude, but some games you just can't play on a pc. I haven't see any emulators for systems greater than 64 work properly, cause the N64 all suck. and there are none for the cube.
Winner: Consoles
As I said, if there's no demand,
cop out excuse.
maybe the fact that the gamecube games cannot be read by a regular pc leads the people who write the emulatorsd to be unable to emulate the cube?
cause guess what? there is demand to emulate all of the consoles, cause of people like you ewho would rather play on a pc than a console.
it's not the lack of demand, it's the lack of supply.
there's no offer. Why try to spread something when noone wants it?
cause people do.
or are you telling me you can't think of anyone that would like to play more of the new console games on a pc?
not even you?
I'm just glad I don't have to spend 50+ on the newest game,
yeah, I only had to spend about 30.00 on Soul caliber three. you know the new one?
and about 40.00 on Kh2 also another new game.
and I poped them in and played. cause my ps2's graphics card didn't need to be upgraded.
and if that means missing out on 5%
95%
of the newest games, of which I won't even like or ever play 50%+ then that's kool with me.
yeah, you don't like 95% of the new games? You're not a gamer.
On a sidenote: you REALLY need to learn how to quote stuff properly. Took me 10 minutes to get the whole quoting stuff in this post sorted out.
or you know not since I did quote things properly.
but yeah, ya big baby be more concered with the box than the toy that came in it.