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Post by SuperSailorMercury on Oct 17, 2004 19:51:40 GMT -5
Cancer_Star knows a bit about art from the sound of it. It won't make much sense to a person who's not familiar with it. Believe me, I am familiar with art. I have got in diploma in Arts, and won the National Art competition. I am VERY familiar with art.
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Post by Creshosk on Oct 17, 2004 20:27:23 GMT -5
Believe me, I am familiar with art. I have got in diploma in Arts, and won the National Art competition. I am VERY familiar with art. So why did that line confuse you?
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Post by SuperSailorMercury on Oct 17, 2004 22:03:41 GMT -5
maybe it's just the way she worded it... oh well ;D I don't wanna get into a fight with anyone, so let's just stop it here, ok?
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Post by hawk1 on Oct 18, 2004 0:20:37 GMT -5
Just to stir things up, I'm not sure if this is a genuine piece or just fanmade, but if it wasn't Takeuchi-sama's idea to put Minako and Rei together, then what's Rei's arm doing there? Opinions appreciated, facts registered. Okay, nobody bite my head off but from what I've learned about art resently at college here's what I have to say about the pic. First of all talking about lines: There is a gentle curve that starts from the top of Mina's head and carries along the Senshi's heads all the way up to Lita's. If you look you can notice that Lita's head is higher than Mina's and although Lita is actualy taller than Mina this still allows for the optical illusion that we are looking at a perspective that is 'slightly' shifted right. If Raye wasn't leaning over onto Mina she woud mess up this gentle curve or else she would have to trade places with Amy because of her hight. Other important lines are a line of the eyes. Amy's and Lita's eyes are on the same line a diagonal upwards allowing your eye to connect them as the two Senshi on the right side of the drawing. Rini's eyes also flow on a parallel line allowing you to connect her with the right side of the drawing as well. Another line which only is created by Raye bending over the way she is, is the line of the little V's made just before you get to their skirts. If you watch this line mirrors the line made at the top of their heads and would once again have been messed up by Raye standing up. My personal opinion is that for the picture to be both balanced on both sides and for the lines to match up and help the picture flow so that it doesn't look choppy and amateuristic Raye is forced to lean over and to balance herself is forced to rest on Mina. The only other option is for Amy and Raye to trade spots. I believe that there is first of all nothing going on and nothing to be intended as going on between either Raye and Mina or Amy and Lita. First of all there is no evidence whatsoever to support the Raye Mina connection from the show that I have seen, I could of course be wrong. Second if it is true that the only evidence found for the Lita, Amy connection is the one episode where they danced togather and I think that to infer a romantic relationship by that alone is ludicrious. The two didn't have dance partners and were lonely so to have fun at the dance they danced togather. I've seen girls at homecomming dances dance togather that I know are straight, its not completly unnatural. Anyway, that's what I have to say, If I have been misstaken on any point please do correct me.
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Post by Zyppora on Oct 18, 2004 3:59:02 GMT -5
Actually, it does make sense, but that's only one possible explanation for their stances. Considering the fact that Rei is indeed leaning over for artistic purposes, and needed a balance, she could have used Minako's shoulder instead.
Multidimensional physics tells us that Rei would fall in the direction of Minako, and as such, needs a nominal force to keep her up. This nominal force can be provided by Minako's shoulder, yet much less by her hip.
Also, Minako is winking quite seductively, knowing Rei's hand is on her hip. Proof of this knowledge is the way she's pushing her bottom backwards. This is NOT just to impress the camera.
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Post by hawk1 on Oct 18, 2004 4:27:09 GMT -5
Well in support of my argument the defense would like to bring up two more pieces of evidence. 1st: The winking of Mina: This could be attributed simply to the fact that it is Mina. Personaly I believe that Mina is winking at the audience as shown by the fact that her head is not inclined toward Raye in any way and also she's even leaning backwords onto the wall AWAY from Raye. 2nd: The position of the hand on the waist instead of the shoulder has two purposes. First it creates a brand new line that starts from Raye's hand on Mina's waist and finishes with Mina's arm that's outstreched. Next if Raye had been leaning on Mina's shoulder she wouldn't have stooped low enough to allow Amy's head to be above her's. As such to preserve the other line she was forced to stoop below a point where she would have been able to 'comfortably' support herself on Mina's shoulder. The defense rests your honor.
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Post by Zyppora on Oct 18, 2004 6:50:54 GMT -5
No, that's where you go wrong. Minako and Rei are leaning towards each other, instead of away from each other. I thought that was clear. Minako is in fact leaning back, her outstretched arm evident of this, and this shows that she's leaning into Rei's apparent embrace.
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Post by SuperSailorMercury on Oct 19, 2004 22:00:13 GMT -5
Hmmmm, well, you do have a point there, Zyppora. I actually agree with you..but when don't I?? ...Minako isn't excactly leaning away from Rei, she just got her hand on the wall to make it look more mreow.... She leaning towards Rei She where her chest line is, how it's close to Rei's, and she's sort of on an angle? But, they all seem to be leaning towards Minako...weird, but anyway. Rei's position herself so the flow of the line isn't interupted by her tallness.
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Post by hawk1 on Oct 20, 2004 0:01:21 GMT -5
So I guess in the end there is ample evidence to support both claims and the interpertation is open to the individual.
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Post by Zyppora on Oct 20, 2004 0:06:12 GMT -5
Actually, I have found an image to support the fact that it's not made by Naoko herself, although it could just be the second page in the comic, whereas the image above is the title page. dragonballarea.homestead.com/files/74.jpg
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Post by hawk1 on Oct 20, 2004 1:10:20 GMT -5
I think its a little weird that Sailor Moon is standing with the Outer Senshi. I would figure that she would stand with the Inner Senshi while Sailor Mini-Moon would stand with the Outer Senshi, it just would seem to make more sense that way.
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Post by Creshosk on Oct 20, 2004 2:58:35 GMT -5
Oh brother. . .
The images while being made by naoko takeuchi herself
Fans who think that Hotaru and Chibi Usa are homosexuals also use the cover of the Original Picture Collection Volume IV as evidence for their claim. Those fans say that Hotaru is grabbing Chibi Usafs chest. Moreover, the two girls have their arms around each other. Hotaru may have her hand over Chibi Usafs chest, but it is not known how forcefully and how firmly Hotaru is holding her hand. Incidentally, Michiru and Haruka, two characters who really are homosexual, have their backs turned to each other. We also do not see Haruka and Michiru touching each other with their hands. If two characters holding each other with their hands are trying to show that they are homosexuals, why are not Haruka and Michiru holding each other in that way? If someone wishes to think that the picture is an erotic one, and he or she wishes to think that any of the characters are homosexual, there is no reason to choose only Hotaru, Chibi Usa, Haruka, and Michiru. All ten girls can be seen as loving each other homosexually.
Incidentally, there is a manga picture that depicts Minako touching Usagi's chest and leg. Minakofs right-hand thumb is touching the skin on Usagifs breast. It has not been established that Usagi and Minako are homosexual lovers in the story. Even if Ms. Takeuchi draws a character touching the breast of another character, that does not necessarily mean that they are homosexual. On a related note, Sailor Lethe and Sailor Mnemosyne closely hold each other, and they are twin sisters!
Much of the touching, much of the nudity, and the transformation scenes in the various continuities (I will refer to the transformation images in the manga as transformation scenes) may not be intended to be sexual or romantic. Instead, they may be intended to convey the ideas of purity (or unconcealed reality and pure truth) and the self-sacrificing love that the girls all should have for each other. We should not always assume that the touching, the nudity, and such are meant to show that the girls are homosexuals.
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Post by hawk1 on Oct 20, 2004 3:12:45 GMT -5
That's a kudos post Creshosk and very well done.
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Post by Zyppora on Oct 20, 2004 11:32:00 GMT -5
Amen, Cresh. You managed to convince me.
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Post by Cancer_Star on Oct 20, 2004 14:42:28 GMT -5
Good argument post, Creshosk, it's good.
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