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Post by Zyppora on Feb 17, 2007 5:05:09 GMT -5
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Post by nekosenshi on Feb 18, 2007 20:11:18 GMT -5
Wait, I'm a bottom and submissive? I don't think so. I believe in equal give and take in such matters. If I had to be a sadist or a masochist, I'd pick sadism, by the way. Not that I like either.
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Post by Creshosk on Feb 18, 2007 23:33:37 GMT -5
How exactly did you come to the conclusion of labeling NekoSenshi as such?
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Post by Zyppora on Feb 19, 2007 15:39:33 GMT -5
Wait, I'm a bottom and submissive? I don't think so. I believe in equal give and take in such matters. If I had to be a sadist or a masochist, I'd pick sadism, by the way. Not that I like either. It's not a matter of choice But I do agree that equal give and take is important in a relationship. How exactly did you come to the conclusion of labeling NekoSenshi as such? In 90% of all cases, the seme go for uke, and vice versa. Should Sailor Mercury be a lesbian (which is still pretty much up for discussion), she would be seme. Since NekoSenshi said she didn't understand how others could see Sailor Mercury as something to be attracted to, and keeping the seme-uke logic described above in mind, NekoSenshi would automatically be a seme as well On a sidenote, I never labelled anyone (at most assumed), but who's keeping score
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Post by Creshosk on Feb 20, 2007 0:17:33 GMT -5
In 90% of all cases, the seme go for uke, and vice versa. Should Sailor Mercury be a lesbian (which is still pretty much up for discussion) No, it isn't. , she would be seme. Since NekoSenshi said she didn't understand how others could see Sailor Mercury as something to be attracted to, and keeping the seme-uke logic described above in mind, NekoSenshi would automatically be a seme as well On a sidenote, I never labelled anyone (at most assumed), but who's keeping score You did read the part about the terms not being applied to females yes?
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Post by Zyppora on Feb 20, 2007 14:25:02 GMT -5
In 90% of all cases, the seme go for uke, and vice versa. Should Sailor Mercury be a lesbian (which is still pretty much up for discussion) No, it isn't. Then how would you estimate the rate? Or, even better, do you have some source for this? Coz I know I don't. , she would be seme. Since NekoSenshi said she didn't understand how others could see Sailor Mercury as something to be attracted to, and keeping the seme-uke logic described above in mind, NekoSenshi would automatically be a seme as well On a sidenote, I never labelled anyone (at most assumed), but who's keeping score You did read the part about the terms not being applied to females yes? Uke page:So in general in anime and manga, and especially in shounen-ai, yaoi (which are both boy-boy) and hentai (which can be MM, FF or MF). Seme page:Same thing. In fact, it links to Butch:'terms often used in the lesbian and gay subcultures'. You were saying?
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Post by nekosenshi on Feb 20, 2007 15:29:14 GMT -5
Wait, am I a uke or a seme now? It's not that I think Ami is unattractive. I might have a go with her, if she was interested in me. I just am confused about the amount of love for her. As to whether she's a lesbian or not, what evidence is there that she is?
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Post by Zyppora on Feb 21, 2007 3:47:28 GMT -5
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Post by nekosenshi on Feb 21, 2007 15:15:31 GMT -5
My ex gf and I were very equal. We both were more femme than butch, not that butch is bad (obviously, I like Haruka, though I'm not sexually attracted to her type.) As for Ami as a lesbian, I read that thread and am not convinced at all.
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Post by Creshosk on Feb 21, 2007 16:29:56 GMT -5
Then how would you estimate the rate? Or, even better, do you have some source for this? Coz I know I don't. So where'd you pull your number from? And I was refering to the comment about Ami being a lesbian being up for discussion. She's not until you can provide the evidence you already admited to not being able to produce. Plus you already admitted that its not cannon. Uke page:So in general in anime and manga, and especially in shounen-ai, yaoi (which are both boy-boy) and hentai (which can be MM, FF or MF). Seme page:Same thing. In fact, it links to Butch:'terms often used in the lesbian and gay subcultures'. You were saying? And all that's negated by a line from the Uke page: Funny how all that work is negated by a single line. well two. that line which shows its not applied to female-female pairings Yaoi=Male-male Yuri=Female-female hentai= general term but mostly used for male-female/female-male its used for the other two pairings listed above in a general perverted sense, but specifically only if the above two descriptions aren't used for the respective same sex pairings. Sorry. Uke and Seme are not used where yuri/shoujou-ai is concerned. You even said it yourself that a relationship doesn't actually exist. sailorm.proboards7.com/index.cgi?board=1merc&action=display&n=1&thread=167&page=4#1142796861
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Post by Zyppora on Feb 22, 2007 4:58:31 GMT -5
Then how would you estimate the rate? Or, even better, do you have some source for this? Coz I know I don't. So where'd you pull your number from? Logic. Opposites attract and I don't think the nominal deviation to that rule would exceed 10% of the total population. I think the keyword that you obviously missed was 'estimate'. And I was refering to the comment about Ami being a lesbian being up for discussion. She's not until you can provide the evidence you already admited to not being able to produce. Plus you already admitted that its not cannon. And all that's negated by a line from the Uke page: Funny how all that work is negated by a single line. well two. that line which shows its not applied to female-female pairings Fandom eh? And what are we? Copyright holders? Original authors? Yaoi=Male-male Yuri=Female-female hentai= general term but mostly used for male-female/female-male its used for the other two pairings listed above in a general perverted sense, but specifically only if the above two descriptions aren't used for the respective same sex pairings. I know what they mean, thank you very much. And male-female and female-male generally come down to the same thing in this universe. Sorry. Uke and Seme are not used where yuri/shoujou-ai is concerned. Unless we're in fandom ... And we're all fans here. You even said it yourself that a relationship doesn't actually exist. It doesn't. Not with another girl and not with another guy. But that's a discussion held elsewhere. You wanna revive it? Do it there. Next thing I know you're gonna tell me that Seme and Uke don't exist in this universe, because they apply to anime and manga.
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Post by nekosenshi on Feb 22, 2007 15:19:08 GMT -5
Opposites attract? Really? Maybe in a masculine/feminine sense, but when it comes to things like values and interests, like attracts like. There aren't many Republican/Democrat couples, for instance!
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Post by Zyppora on Feb 22, 2007 16:00:28 GMT -5
Opposites attract, but as with everything, there's about 10% tolerable deviation (consider the fact that you're (more) attracted to girls for example). And if you think that like attracts like, same rule applies. For some reason the only couple that actually proves this that I can think of right now would be Dharma and Greg, but I'm sure Cresh would be able to state some IRL examples without breaking a sweat (although I don't think he would) just like he did with incest pplz in the sexual preference thread.
Ohw, and I think the term 'golddigger' pretty much proves that like doesn't always attract like (and now Anna Nicole Smith comes to mind).
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Post by Creshosk on Feb 22, 2007 22:09:48 GMT -5
So where'd you pull your number from? Logic. Opposites attract Not always, Good and evil don't attract for example. and sometimes the shy are put off by loud violent people. and even as such, when opposites do attract they rarely hold. there'd have to be more to keep it from a mere attraction. and I don't think the nominal deviation to that rule would exceed 10% of the total population. And what reasoning do you have that things that are not opposites but aren't the same as being ruled out? I'd say that perfect opposites attracting personality wise would hold only about 10% of the time, maybe less. I think the keyword that you obviously missed was 'estimate'. So you just made that numbner up on a whim? Fandom eh? And what are we? Copyright holders? Original authors? we are fans, it takes a large number of us to form a fandom. You might want to apply the terms to female characters, however you are not the majority of fans. I know what they mean, thank you very much. And male-female and female-male generally come down to the same thing in this universe. depending on who's the dominant personality and who's the submissive one. Unless we're in fandom ... And we're all fans here. No, not unless we're in fandom. It doesn't apply in fandom. It doesn't. Not with another girl and not with another guy. But that's a discussion held elsewhere. You wanna revive it? Do it there. Why should I need to, you already stated what I quoted. Next thing I know you're gonna tell me that Seme and Uke don't exist in this universe, because they apply to anime and manga. Why would I do that?
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Post by Creshosk on Feb 22, 2007 22:17:54 GMT -5
Opposites attract, but as with everything, there's about 10% tolerable deviation (consider the fact that you're (more) attracted to girls for example). And if you think that like attracts like, same rule applies. For some reason the only couple that actually proves this that I can think of right now would be Dharma and Greg, but I'm sure Cresh would be able to state some IRL examples without breaking a sweat (although I don't think he would) just like he did with incest pplz in the sexual preference thread. Ohw, and I think the term 'golddigger' pretty much proves that like doesn't always attract like (and now Anna Nicole Smith comes to mind). NekoSenshi is right. While there is Arnold the gov of Cali(repub) and his Wife (a Kenedy(Dem)) Most of the time the differences only serve to weaken a foundation if they are fundamental enough. Take for example if your girl was a dyed in the wool Bush supporting, Republican, Christian Fundamentalist, who hated Sailor Moon and idolized Bill gates? How long would your relationship last? Opposites attract, Likes stay. Oil and water, Acid and Base. There needs to be SOMETHING, some sort of catalyst, to hold the opposites together or else it won't last.
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