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Post by Lucky Seven on Feb 20, 2006 18:56:36 GMT -5
Says who? We ladies get along just fine ourselves, thank you. Not all of them do.
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Post by Creshosk on Feb 20, 2006 19:13:33 GMT -5
Says who? We ladies get along just fine ourselves, thank you. Not all of them do. Same can be said of men, either way.
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Post by Zyppora on Feb 21, 2006 4:14:56 GMT -5
But that entire statement, that there is no right and wrong, is an opinion in itself. You have just made a judgement that my statement is wrong, which implies that wrong exists. If wrong does not exist, than the statement that right and wrong do in fact exist cannot be wrong, so the entire philosophy is self-contradictory. Even as you say that everything is relative you are making an absolute statement. There is really no such thing as an open mind. Choosing not to judge is still taking a position. And if someone says that everyone must accept everything as okay, they are making the ultimate in closed-minded statements by forcing people to agree with their universal "tolerance." Everyone does not have the same moral standards, nor can we expect them to. But people do have to make judgements, and they have a right not to believe in something. Now before everyone brands me as a homophobe, let me make it clear that I'm NOT saying gays and lesbians should be lined up and shot. Nor am I saying that I think they're all going to Hell. As a human and as a Christian I know that's not my place to judge. But I do believe homosexuality is wrong, and I'm not afraid to say that. In response to the discussion on free will, I think God gave people free will to see if they would still do the right thing when given the choice. It wouldn't mean anything to be a perfect person if it was your only option, because you were programmed to do so. And it wouldn't mean anything to be a perfect person if you lived in a perfect world, since it's easy to be agreeable when everything's going your way. True character is revealed when you're aware that you don't have to do the right thing, but you do it anyway. And Raptor, while I agree with you that God exists, your method of arguing is not very convincing. You cannot use an assumption to prove itself: "If the world exists, God must exist. The world exists, therefore God exists." This is a logical fallacy. You may as well say "If grass exists, it must be purple. Grass exists, therefore grass is purple." Wow, we've managed to drag this off topic. Whoa ... that pretty much managed to shut me up. Mainly because I agree with a lot of this. You're a christian I can talk to Anywayz, there's a couple of things I'd like to point out still (yes, I'm SMO's customized thorn in the eye): But that entire statement, that there is no right and wrong, is an opinion in itself. You have just made a judgement that my statement is wrong, which implies that wrong exists. If wrong does not exist, than the statement that right and wrong do in fact exist cannot be wrong, so the entire philosophy is self-contradictory. Even as you say that everything is relative you are making an absolute statement. Let's keep this in mind while looking at the following: There is really no such thing as an open mind. Choosing not to judge is still taking a position. Isn't that an 'absolute' statement, and therefor an opinion? Now before everyone brands me as a homophobe, let me make it clear that I'm NOT saying gays and lesbians should be lined up and shot. Nor am I saying that I think they're all going to Hell. As a human and as a Christian I know that's not my place to judge. But I do believe homosexuality is wrong, and I'm not afraid to say that. I wish all the priests and imams would share that thought. In response to the discussion on free will, I think God gave people free will to see if they would still do the right thing when given the choice. It wouldn't mean anything to be a perfect person if it was your only option, because you were programmed to do so. And it wouldn't mean anything to be a perfect person if you lived in a perfect world, since it's easy to be agreeable when everything's going your way. True character is revealed when you're aware that you don't have to do the right thing, but you do it anyway. Alright, here comes the big question: who decides what's right and what's not? God? I won't question your faith and assume that god would be your answer, but purely for the sake of argument, let's state that there is no divine factor involved (i.e. there is no god). Then who would judge right from wrong? It would come down to something like what's socially acceptable, and 'morally acceptable' and 'socially acceptable' are worlds apart. And Raptor, while I agree with you that God exists, your method of arguing is not very convincing. You cannot use an assumption to prove itself: "If the world exists, God must exist. The world exists, therefore God exists." This is a logical fallacy. You may as well say "If grass exists, it must be purple. Grass exists, therefore grass is purple." As a priest would say: amen.
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Post by Creshosk on Feb 21, 2006 5:27:30 GMT -5
Whoa ... that pretty much managed to shut me up. Mainly because I agree with a lot of this. You're a christian I can talk to See? Isn't she great? And I love the knowlege of logical facilities. Isn't that an 'absolute' statement, and therefor an opinion? "All absolutes are opinions"? Makes me think of "Only sith lords deal in absolutes." Isn't that an absolute. Though there are such things as absolutes in science and math. There are also some absolutes in socio-cultural concepts as well. Alright, here comes the big question: who decides what's right and what's not? God? Yeah, in Christian beleifs "God" is the one that calls the shots. And it is referenced in the bible in multiple places (not just the leviticus verse which is law that applies only to the levities). I won't question your faith and assume that god would be your answer, but purely for the sake of argument, let's state that there is no divine factor involved (i.e. there is no god). Then who would judge right from wrong? It would come down to something like what's socially acceptable, and 'morally acceptable' and 'socially acceptable' are worlds apart. Actually alot of what's "acceptable" in society is due to a basis on what is "moral" changes in society reflect a change in thoughts and what is generally accepted to be moral. At least in free societies. and for the most part in psuedo-free societies. And Raptor, while I agree with you that God exists, your method of arguing is not very convincing. You cannot use an assumption to prove itself: "If the world exists, God must exist. The world exists, therefore God exists." This is a logical fallacy. You may as well say "If grass exists, it must be purple. Grass exists, therefore grass is purple." As a priest would say: amen. It's a thing of beauty is it not?
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Post by Zyppora on Feb 21, 2006 5:55:48 GMT -5
Whoa ... that pretty much managed to shut me up. Mainly because I agree with a lot of this. You're a christian I can talk to See? Isn't she great? And I love the knowlege of logical facilities. Heheh, she is ^_^ "All absolutes are opinions"? Makes me think of "Only sith lords deal in absolutes." Isn't that an absolute. Though there are such things as absolutes in science and math. There are also some absolutes in socio-cultural concepts as well. Well, I was referring to Yume claiming that 'absolute' statements are in fact a 'relative' statement as well (much like an opinion). Yeah, in Christian beleifs "God" is the one that calls the shots. And it is referenced in the bible in multiple places (not just the leviticus verse which is law that applies only to the levities). Wouldn't that make Adam a sinner? See various 'reports' about a woman named Lilith for this one. Actually alot of what's "acceptable" in society is due to a basis on what is "moral" changes in society reflect a change in thoughts and what is generally accepted to be moral. At least in free societies. and for the most part in psuedo-free societies. Hmmz, taking the example upheld formerly, homosexuality is morally acceptable (think: make love, not war). But not socially. As a priest would say: amen. It's a thing of beauty is it not? Seeing Raptor get shot down like that, and by a believer nonetheless? Priceless
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Post by yumecosmos on Feb 21, 2006 14:20:25 GMT -5
What I was trying to say is that there are in fact some absolutes, since even the statement that there are no absolutes is an absolute statement. And yes, the fact that there are no open minds is my opinion. But since I'm not claiming to have an open mind, I can make an opinionated statement ^_^;
I don't think there's any doubt in the Christian communtiy that Adam was a sinner. That's kinda the whole point behind man needing salvation ^.^
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Post by Creshosk on Feb 21, 2006 14:28:09 GMT -5
What I was trying to say is that there are in fact some absolutes, since even the statement that there are no absolutes is an absolute statement. And yes, the fact that there are no open minds is my opinion. But since I'm not claiming to have an open mind, I can make an opinionated statement ^_^; I don't think there's any doubt in the Christian communtiy that Adam was a sinner. That's kinda the whole point behind man needing salvation ^.^ Catholic?
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Post by yumecosmos on Feb 21, 2006 21:11:55 GMT -5
Sorry, I didn't quite understand your question. ^_^; Are you asking if I'm Catholic, or if Catholics think Adam was a sinner, or is it something else entirely?
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Post by Creshosk on Feb 21, 2006 21:16:34 GMT -5
Sorry, I didn't quite understand your question. ^_^; Are you asking if I'm Catholic, or if Catholics think Adam was a sinner, or is it something else entirely? In my studies Catholicism seems to be the mort predominante beleiver in the original sin. There are other denominations of christianity that belevie that we are not held accountable for other's(in context Adam) actions. But yes, I was mostly asking you if you were catholic based off of the prior paragraph.
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Post by yumecosmos on Feb 21, 2006 22:00:29 GMT -5
Nope, I'm Presbyterian. Honestly I don't know that much about the differences between denominations. Like, I know some of the differences between Protestant and Catholic, but that's about it. That's pretty bad when it's my own religion, but I figure I better learn the important stuff first and then worry about the details ^_^ I figure it shouldn't be such a big deal when we all worship the same God. (But the Catholics might have a different opinion on the matter -_- As far as original sin, I personally don't think we're being held accountable for the sin of Adam, but for our own sins. Adam just kinda proved that the whole human race is flawed. He might've been the first to screw up, but he certainly wasn't the last. If there was a perfect human, i.e. Jesus, I imagine that person wouldn't be held accountable, but since the only perfect person was God, there isn't much point in speculation. And before anyone asks, the nun in my avatar is not exactly a religious thing. That's Sister Yukariko from Mai Hime, who I just find really funny. (And I'm more like her than I'd like to admit...)
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Post by Creshosk on Feb 21, 2006 22:17:46 GMT -5
Ah. "Catholic lite, same religon half the guilt." ~ Robin Williams Honestly I don't know that much about the differences between denominations. Like, I know some of the differences between Protestant and Catholic, but that's about it. That's pretty bad when it's my own religion, but I figure I better learn the important stuff first and then worry about the details ^_^ I figure it shouldn't be such a big deal when we all worship the same God. Sadly more could certainly stand to think the same way. Unfortunatly people don't even realize that it's the same one. Like Christianity, Judaism and Islam is all technically the same one. Though the practice is vastly different. (But the Catholics might have a different opinion on the matter -_- As far as original sin, I personally don't think we're being held accountable for the sin of Adam, but for our own sins. Adam just kinda proved that the whole human race is flawed. He might've been the first to screw up, but he certainly wasn't the last. Well, had he not done that first transgression I doubt we'd be here today. Reverse psychology has always been effective. If there was a perfect human, i.e. Jesus, I imagine that person wouldn't be held accountable, but since the only perfect person was God, there isn't much point in speculation. And before anyone asks, the nun in my avatar is not exactly a religious thing. That's Sister Yukariko from Mai Hime, who I just find really funny. (And I'm more like her than I'd like to admit...) Yeah, I figured that the avatar was more amusing than anything else.
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Post by Zyppora on Feb 22, 2006 3:35:29 GMT -5
Ohw ... I thought the avatar was another thing entirely ... heh ... my bad ^_^;;
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Post by sailormercury93 on Jan 11, 2007 14:59:47 GMT -5
yeah... but still... But still I wouldn't want Motoki/Andrew to dump his current g/f for Makoto/Lita, cause that raises the concern about him dumping Makoto/Lita for someone else. Not very faithful . . .
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good work Cresh. you brought us a pic of Motoki's g/f. ^__^ excellent work. but aint I a suitable prospect? c'mon, single, strong enough to hold her back if she's pissed, and tough enough to take anything she can dish out. that, and I always enjoy a great cook. ^__^ Yeah, but are you tender enough to hold her gentlely when she needs some comforting?
VERRRRRYYYY GOOD POINT!!!!
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Post by kennethstorm on Oct 31, 2011 23:03:08 GMT -5
I'm her boyfriend and lover...my name is Ken
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