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Post by sailorpluto7 on Jun 8, 2005 16:30:00 GMT -5
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Post by Zyppora on Jun 8, 2005 22:30:28 GMT -5
Like I said, Peruru stands just as much of a chance with Chibi-Usa as Helios does.
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Post by Betty Ann on Jun 27, 2005 11:46:07 GMT -5
I don't think that Perle (Peruru) is ever really a villain. Remember that all of the fairies are essentially "tricked' by Queen Badiane, who tells them that the children will sleep forever, and never grow old. Even Poupelin (Pupuran) says that it is being done for the children's happiness. Perle is really just the only one who figures out that Queen Badiane isn't doing it for their happiness - she is doing it to expand her Black Dream Hole. All of the fairies think they are doing something good - it's just that Perle is the only one who figures out that what is being done is BAD. So really, none of them are evil, since they really never have any bad intentions.
It's pretty clear that Perle has feelings for ChibiUsa, but she doesn't seem to have feelings for him in the same way - she sees him as more of a friend. She never looks at him in the way that he looks at her, and when she kisses him on the cheek, she is doing it as a friend, because she is a sweet little girl. In the same way she might kiss Usagi on the cheek. She gave him a goodbye like she might give to a friend... but when she said goodbye to Helios in the anime, she fooled everyone into looking away so that she could give him a more special goodbye. In the manga, she actually cried and was upset... but when Perle left in the anime, she smiled and waved.
There is also no way that they could carry on a relationship... they just never had the same kind of intimacy that ChibiUsa had with Helios.
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Post by Zyppora on Jun 27, 2005 13:00:28 GMT -5
Hmmz, well, I'd like to see it in a certain perspective. Given the fact that Peruru only got one movie, and Helios got 39 episodes with her. Given the relatively short time between Chibi-Usa and Peruru, I'd say he stands pretty much the same chance. Give Peruru 39 episodes with Chibi-Usa, and Helios may pack his stuff 'n leave.
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Post by Betty Ann on Jun 28, 2005 10:17:41 GMT -5
Hmmz, well, I'd like to see it in a certain perspective. Given the fact that Peruru only got one movie, and Helios got 39 episodes with her. Given the relatively short time between Chibi-Usa and Peruru, I'd say he stands pretty much the same chance. Give Peruru 39 episodes with Chibi-Usa, and Helios may pack his stuff 'n leave. But the fact remains that Perle did NOT have 39 episodes with ChibiUsa. And given the storyline, there is no way he could have had more time with her than he had. You can't use an "if" argument. If you do, then I could say, "if" Perle and Helios were in the same episodes, maybe they would have developed a relationship. Except that they were never in the same episodes, so you can't make random speculation on what MIGHT have happened. Then you're entering the world of fanfiction, and this thread is about what happens WITHIN the Sailor Moon storyline.
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Post by Zyppora on Jun 28, 2005 10:58:20 GMT -5
Whoa, where did I use the word 'if'? And that's exactly my point, and the point of this thread: speculation. Why don't you swap them, for example? Put Helios where Peruru is and put Peruru in Helios' place. You'll see that the development of any kind of relationship with Chibi-Usa is about the same.
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Post by yatenkou on Jun 28, 2005 11:49:19 GMT -5
Whoa, where did I use the word 'if'? And that's exactly my point, and the point of this thread: speculation. Why don't you swap them, for example? Put Helios where Peruru is and put Peruru in Helios' place. You'll see that the development of any kind of relationship with Chibi-Usa is about the same. I agree. I think really they both would have had the same chance. Helios is a loser anyway.. I like Peruru because he has chika sakomoto's voice!!! <3 <3
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Post by yumecosmos on Feb 21, 2006 1:16:59 GMT -5
CxH all the way! There is so much more evidence for them, in both anime and manga. It's true that, given more time with Chibiusa, Perle might have ended up with her instead. Swap their situations and the outcome might be different. But this in itself is an argument for Chibiusa and Helios: because they DO have that much time together. A relationship, after all, is about two people, not one. It's not about whether Perle is better than Helios, it's about who Chibiusa loves more.... And this argument is starting to sound verry familiar, so I think I'll let it drop here ^_^;
Hmm... I'm not even sure what storyline the SuperS movie comes from. It doesn't match the anime version because the outers wouldn't be there (or wearing their second-stage uniforms), but it doesn't match the manga either because if the outer senshi are there, it would have to take place after the battle in act 39, in which case Usagi and Mamoru would be deathly sick and the entire planet would be under Nehellenia's control. So I'd consider Perle part of an entirely new SM universe, one where Helios may not even exist. Or, considering their appearances, Perle might just be an alternate-universe version of Helios. (This is all pure speculation on my part, though.)
And while we're crossing continuities, everyone seems to have forgotten about Anshar, Chibiusa's boyfriend from the SNES video game.
(Edit: Corrected spelling error. I believe "Perle" is the more correct version.)
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Post by Creshosk on Feb 21, 2006 2:09:41 GMT -5
CxH all the way! There is so much more evidence for them, in both anime and manga. It's true that, given more time with Chibiusa, Perle might have ended up with her instead. Swap their situations and the outcome might be different. But this in itself is an argument for Chibiusa and Helios: because they DO have that much time together. A relationship, after all, is about two people, not one. It's not about whether Perle is better than Helios, it's about who Chibiusa loves more.... And this argument is starting to sound verry familiar, so I think I'll let it drop here ^_^; Hmm... I'm not even sure what storyline the SuperS movie comes from. It doesn't match the anime version because the outers wouldn't be there (or wearing their second-stage uniforms), but it doesn't match the manga either because if the outer senshi are there, it would have to take place after the battle in act 39, in which case Usagi and Mamoru would be deathly sick and the entire planet would be under Nehellenia's control. So I'd consider Perle part of an entirely new SM universe, one where Helios may not even exist. Or, considering their appearances, Perle might just be an alternate-universe version of Helios. (This is all pure speculation on my part, though.) And while we're crossing continuities, everyone seems to have forgotten about Anshar, Chibiusa's boyfriend from the SNES video game. (Edit: Corrected spelling error. I believe "Perle" is the more correct version.) All very good stuff and yeah, the movies don't really fit in with the storyline of the anime. Though I'm not sure what the technically correct spelling of the name would be. Since the character is from a place where they don't use the roman letters.
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Post by Zyppora on Feb 21, 2006 4:31:15 GMT -5
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Post by yumecosmos on Feb 21, 2006 14:04:46 GMT -5
Ack. More confusion. I just realized that the outers seem to still be in their first-stage uniforms during the movie (or at least they are on the CD cover.) The fact that they are using their talisman attacks in their first forms, plus the fact that Chibimoon has a Kaleidoscope and can use Moon Gorgeous Meditation without doing Twinkle Yell first, seems to indicate that they're following the manga version. But there is no possible way that the Venus could be in her second stage form while the outers are still in their first, since the outers (and Saturn) show up in the middle of the battle where Venus got her powerup. Immediately after that Chibimoon and Saturn are captured and the final battle begins, leaving absolutely no time for the movie to take place, even if it does take place over only one night. On the other hand, if we ignore the thing with the kaleidoscopes and assume it is from the anime version, Pluto should not have her memories back yet. ><; Yup, defintely doesn't fit with either continuity. As for Perle, this article is what convinced me: antares7.absoludicrous.net/movies/supers/perle.html "Perle" actually has some meaning while "Peruru," to the best of my knowledge, doesn't. Plus, as it says in the Materials Collection, he's got pearls all over his costume. That said, the semi-official transliteration from Pioneer was "Peruru." That's what was used in the sub version of the movie, which probably explains why ANN uses that spelling. They used a direct rendering of the Japanese characters rather than the French word they were trying to approximate. This strikes me as a bit of an inconsistency, since they've chosen (thankfully) to write all the other foreign words in their native alphabets. They use "Moon Spiral Heart Attack" rather than "Muun supairaru haato attaku" so I don't see why they chose "Peruru" over "Perle." But oh well, it's not as if inconsistency in subbing/dubbing is anything new... ><;
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Post by Zyppora on Feb 21, 2006 14:20:04 GMT -5
The thing that strikes me about antares7.absoludicrous.net is that they seem to know it all. I might be grabbing at straws here, but who ever claimed that Takeuchi went for the French word perle, and 'incidentally' the German translation was the same? Stuff like that has pretty much made this website lose its credibility in my book.
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Post by Creshosk on Feb 21, 2006 15:05:44 GMT -5
The thing that strikes me about antares7.absoludicrous.net is that they seem to know it all. I might be grabbing at straws here, but who ever claimed that Takeuchi went for the French word perle, and 'incidentally' the German translation was the same? Stuff like that has pretty much made this website lose its credibility in my book. Considering that the word for pearl is transliterated as paaru and the naming convention of his brother's is food. It's highly doubtful if Naoko intended his name to be "Pearl." More over since two of his brothers are Bananu and Oranjiya which are variant forms of banana (banana) and orenji(Orange). And I'm fairly certain that Pupuran is intended as "pudding" based on similarity to pupurin. Peruru could be an altered "pear" even though pear is "pea". Pear is a bit more fitting of the naming convention than pearl. And Naoko does use naming conventions for groups.
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Post by yumecosmos on Feb 21, 2006 20:29:49 GMT -5
But his name isn't Pearl, it's Perle. According to a pretty reliable Japanese dictionary (http://www.csse.monash.edu.au/~jwb/wwwjdic.html) "peruru" is in fact the Japanese version of the French word perle. "Pear" would make sense in context with his brothers' names, but that doesn't explain the pearls all over his costume, or his "pearl-colored" hair, and that naming convention doesn't fit in with Bonbon baddies, Marzipan castle, or Vadilane. His explaination, that they are all named after types of candy, ties the whole thing together and fits in with the cookies and "sugar energy."
In other news: I actually kind of like the Chibiusa x Anshar pairing. Anshar and Chibiusa had a long time to let thier relaitonship develop, and they obviously came a long way from being enemies to falling in love. I believe out of the three, Anshar is the only one to whom Chibiusa has actually said "I love you." And since the game happens some time after the S season, technically Anshar had her first ^.^ Buuut, he still lacks the Prince Charming factor, and Chibiusa and Helios got more screentime ^_^ Plus, Helios can turn into a flying horse. How cool is that? Every little girl wants a pony, right? (Yes, I am aware that that last "point" was not exactly a valid argument...)
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Post by Creshosk on Feb 21, 2006 20:57:45 GMT -5
But his name isn't Pearl, it's Perle. According to a pretty reliable Japanese dictionary (http://www.csse.monash.edu.au/~jwb/wwwjdic.html) "peruru" is in fact the Japanese version of the French word perle. "Pear" would make sense in context with his brothers' names, but that doesn't explain the pearls all over his costume, or his "pearl-colored" hair, and that naming convention doesn't fit in with Bonbon baddies, Marzipan castle, or Vadilane. His explaination, that they are all named after types of candy, ties the whole thing together and fits in with the cookies and "sugar energy." No, that dictionary also has "paaru ƒp[ƒ‹ perle" not peruru. That dictionary likewise does not have an entry for Peruru. In other news: I actually kind of like the Chibiusa x Anshar pairing. Anshar and Chibiusa had a long time to let thier relaitonship develop, and they obviously came a long way from being enemies to falling in love. I believe out of the three, Anshar is the only one to whom Chibiusa has actually said "I love you." And since the game happens some time after the S season, technically Anshar had her first ^.^ Buuut, he still lacks the Prince Charming factor, and Chibiusa and Helios got more screentime ^_^ Plus, Helios can turn into a flying horse. How cool is that? Every little girl wants a pony, right? (Yes, I am aware that that last "point" was not exactly a valid argument...) Well we don't know what our small ladies tastes are. She may or she may not. If each rendition: SM:AS, SuperS and the SuperS movie is different, then there could be three of chibiusa. each one haveing a different "best" as it were.
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