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Post by SailorSun004 on Apr 1, 2005 8:37:28 GMT -5
but really though Saturn Does bring the world back because in the manga and dubbies i really hate them And also, in the anime, Saturn never preforms her attack.
Sailor moon isn't really the srtongest senshi, she is really strong, and so is saturn, the only one who really knows is the creator,...
also, saturns attack does bring the world back, when she destroys a world, she kills herself, Sailor moon can NOT survive the destruction of the world, where does it say that?
"with death comes hope and rebirth"...does anyone even pay attention to that?
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Post by Sailor Venus on Apr 1, 2005 21:50:02 GMT -5
"with death comes hope and rebirth"...
finish that quote SailorSun ^_-
"with death comes hope and rebirth, and that's you Sailor Moon"
Sailor Moon is supposed to use her Ginzuishou to revive the world. And...because she's able to stand there and revive it after its destroyed means that Sailor Moon would survive the destruction.
(Don't let "Death Reborn Revolution" fool you! That's just a "normal" attack and Saturn does not reborn the world).
No...I always kinda knew that Sailor Moon/Incarnations thereof would be stronger because I read it in the manga...somewhere XD But I never admitted it because I don't like Sailor Moon (and Sailor Saturn seemed wayyy cool). But seriously, Sailor Cosmos is the strongest. The Ginzuishou is the...what is it called "best" (?) Sailor Crystal.
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Post by Creshosk on Apr 2, 2005 3:12:19 GMT -5
but really though Saturn Does bring the world back because in the manga and dubbies i really hate them And also, in the anime, Saturn never preforms her attack. In the manga Saturn does not bring the world back. Sailor Moon does. And those who pay attention. No it doesn't. True. she does in the manga. Saturn makes it pretty clear that it's sailor Moon who brings it back. Sailor Saturn performs Death Reborn Revolution in act 33, Japanese volume 10. She also brings the ruin to the world in that same act. The confusion between these two activities is understandable. The mirror, orb, and sword flash.
"The talismans!?"
They lift them into the air.
A hole opens in the monster in the darkness.
A sailor-suited figure rises into the air, lying on her back, in a sphere of light.
"That's..."
"Oh my god..."
The figure stands up in the air, the mark of the planet Saturn emblazoned on her forehead.
"I am the messenger from the depths of death. Carrier of the protection of the planet of ruin, Saturn. The soldier of silence. Sailor Saturn."
"She's awakened..."
"Sailor Saturn...!!"
"Is this the end!?"
"Is Sailor Moon... Is Super Sailor Moon... dead!?"
Sailor Saturn looks at them. "I was called by the pulled trigger long ago. It doesn't seem that it's been that long yet. I seem like an invited guest. I slowly met accidents one after another, and disturbing occurrences were brought about. Suddenly history seemed to have gone a bit wrong."
She flies down to the blackness and stabs it with her glaive.
"I can't move!? Ohhh!" the monster says. "Power... My power is being soaked up!"
"Through the accident in this Infinity zone," says Saturn, "the one I was supposed to have eternal sleep in, 'Hotaru,' began to live without life as a cyborg. In that girl's body, I wasn't supposed to awaken. It was a shock to my spirit as well. Then that body began to live under the utilization. Then Professor Tomoe's twisted mind summoned those from the other world. But... There was nothing I could do. We were drawn here. The passage of the other world opened here. This land was the chosen place. All the power gathered here. And then everything began the walk toward ruin. Everything was set up by fate. Now that I've awakened, I must bring down this silence glaive."
"The silence glaive," Michiru thinks. "The scythe of the goddess of death."
"If it's brought down," says Setsuna, "it will mean the lapse of everything. Sailor Saturn!"
"Damnit!" Haruka says. "Why was all this set up by fate!? It can't be! Stop! Saturn!!"
"Then..." Chibi-Usa thinks. "Is there no future for us?"
"Death Reborn Revolution!"
Ribbons surround Saturn as she raises the glaive.
"Ohhh!" the monster says. "Power! My power! It's being sucked away! This huge negative aura!? The biggest power of the Omega Area's continued sleep! Has that power awakened as the guiding light of ruin!? You!? Ohhhh!"
The darkness rises into the sky toward the Tau [Galaxy] overhead.
"The monster is leaving the earth's surface!? What power!"
"You abominable creature!" Saturn says. "Invader! Return to nothingness! Then the death for this world!"
Blackness swirls around her as a torrent of energy rises to the sky.
"It's the end!" Mamoru thinks. "We can't stop it anymore!"
"She'll bring down the silence glaive," thinks Haruka. "Along with the monster, this world will end! Sailor Moon!!"
Saturn turns and swipes the glaive down.
Mamoru covers Chibi-Usa as explosions rip apart the city. Buildings collapse to the ground.
"Everyone... Everyone... Disappearing."
The sea crashes around them.
"The world... is ending..." Pages 100 and 101 of volume 10 show the destruction of the world. The buildings collapse on page 100, but there is an image on page 101 that shows Earth surrounded by lightning-like energy. One of the characters says "The world... is ending..." This essentially means that not only is Sailor Saturn's power affecting Tokyo, it's also affecting the whole world. Also notice that Sailor Saturn says, "Then the death for this world" a full four pages after she performs Death Reborn Revolution. As a matter of fact, the ribbons from that maneuver are no longer seen when she makes her comment about the death for the world. She's not even holding her Death Reborn Revolution stance anymore! So, the world was still in once piece even at that point after she performed the maneuver. The idea that the world is reborn because of Sailor Saturn's powers is also erroneous. The manga is also very specific about whose powers will revive the ruined earth. "Attack! Attack!" the monster says. "To the Tau [Galaxy]! Reduced to being drawn by gravity to the darkness of the graveyard! Our home of death, the Tau [Galaxy]!"
"It's beautiful," says Saturn. "The suffering of the moment of destruction. Now! Right away! The guide to death, Sailor Saturn, will lead to the world of silence and nothingness!"
"Saturn!?" Usagi says. "Like this, we'll be drawn to outer space together!"
"Oh no!" the others think. "Together!?"
"I don't feel despair," Saturn says. "Along with death, there is always hope and rebirth. You will cause that, Super Sailor Moon."
Sailor Saturn commands Sailor Pluto to seal the passage to the other world. Sailor Saturn falls into the vortex with the Tau Galaxy and Pharaoh 90. The Space-Time Door shuts and Sailor Moon remembers Saturn's words.
Usagi stares into the sky.
"Along with death... Hope and rebirth begin."
She appears in her white gown, and she raises the heart moon rod in the air. Buildings are reconstructed, and the people wake up.
"The city..." Luna says from the command center. "The people are being resurrected!"
"Neo Queen Serenity...?"
Usagi stands atop a devastated pillar in the center of the ruined building, holding up the rod.
"The messiah..." Mamoru says. "So it was you... Serenity." That passage makes it clear that Sailor Saturn's Death Reborn Revolution maneuver has nothing to do with the revival of the world. The maneuver's influence is gone by the time Sailor Moon revives the world, and Sailor Saturn isn't even around to do anything! The job of reviving rests solely on Sailor Moon.
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Post by sailorpluto7 on Apr 21, 2005 5:35:37 GMT -5
Sailor Saturn is probably the most powerful not including Sailor Moon. Sailor Moon survives the destruction and brings the planet back. She is the messiah who brings "hope and rebirth".
But ya Sailor Saturn is pretty powerful.
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Post by falconw21 on May 27, 2005 13:34:10 GMT -5
My personal opinion is that hotaru is more powerful than sailor moon in some ways, but in others sailor moon would be more powerful, its all dependent on the curcumstances...
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Post by Creshosk on May 27, 2005 20:31:14 GMT -5
Power is an odd thing though, Saturn lost against galaxia but i feel saturn could beat moon if she intended to as well. Maybe if you only measure in physical strength. You should keep in mind that Usagi/Moon is a loving girl, and she wouldn't be able to handle Saturn because she would never hurt her friends. Saturn on the other hand, has more sense of duty, she does what needs to be done, no matter how she feels about it. So yes, she could very easily take down Sailor Moon. How?
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Post by yatenkou on May 27, 2005 23:34:03 GMT -5
I really don't think Sailor Saturn is the most powerful at all. Obviously Sailor Moon takes this title since she manages to survive EVERYTHING.
I think Sailor Pluto could be considered a competitor because she is able to influence time which pretty much will always win out in a fight.
But with Sailor Saturn, Sailor Pluto also dies if she uses her taboo power. So it's a trade off.
Sailor Kakyuu I think might also be in the running because we really don't know much about her and my interpretation is that she is the Sailor Moon from another galaxy, therefore her powers would be similiar.
Sailor Galaxia is obviously powerful to withstand absorbing Chaos.
I don't know - I really don't think Saturn is the most powerful senshi even though she is the senshi of death/destruction. Sailor Moon easily beats her since she's the MAIN GOOD GUY and god forbid if anything is stronger then the main character... but that's speculation.
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Post by Zyppora on May 28, 2005 14:00:07 GMT -5
Maybe if you only measure in physical strength. You should keep in mind that Usagi/Moon is a loving girl, and she wouldn't be able to handle Saturn because she would never hurt her friends. Saturn on the other hand, has more sense of duty, she does what needs to be done, no matter how she feels about it. So yes, she could very easily take down Sailor Moon. How? You really need to ask? Sailor Moon is a person of flesh and blood. Sailor Saturn has a glaive. That thing's sharp enough to cut through you just by even so much as looking at it. Please don't ask me to go through all the violent/bloody/gory details.
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Post by Creshosk on May 28, 2005 14:39:44 GMT -5
You really need to ask? Sailor Moon is a person of flesh and blood. Sailor Saturn has a glaive. That thing's sharp enough to cut through you just by even so much as looking at it. Please don't ask me to go through all the violent/bloody/gory details. Ah, break them out of character so they would fight each other. . . Hard to say . . .
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Post by yatenkou on May 28, 2005 16:35:17 GMT -5
You really need to ask? Sailor Moon is a person of flesh and blood. Sailor Saturn has a glaive. That thing's sharp enough to cut through you just by even so much as looking at it. Please don't ask me to go through all the violent/bloody/gory details. Ah, break them out of character so they would fight each other. . . Hard to say . . . Hey Sailor Moon has her tiel thing. Saturn's young too and weak for that matter. I still think if they broke out of character Sailor Moon would still win.
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Post by marriedtomars on Jul 17, 2005 6:29:54 GMT -5
She's pretty cute for a young scout but not the strongest.She was the last to join them Venus&Mars are strongest.
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Post by Zyppora on Jul 18, 2005 6:23:44 GMT -5
She's pretty cute for a young scout but not the strongest.She was the last to join them Venus&Mars are strongest. If Venus and Mars are the strongest, then how come they got defeated so easily by Galaxia?
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Post by LouSMFAN on Jul 21, 2005 12:33:32 GMT -5
She's pretty cute for a young scout but not the strongest.She was the last to join them Venus&Mars are strongest. If Venus and Mars are the strongest, then how come they got defeated so easily by Galaxia? Yes, the inner senshi were defeated so easy(Galaxia took their Star Seeds) so how could Venus and Mars be the strongest.
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Post by marriedtomars on Nov 16, 2005 12:34:11 GMT -5
Nope Saturn is a weaker scout The strongest on is S.Jupiter or S.Venus These two have a good balance.
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Post by y123 on Dec 4, 2006 15:47:22 GMT -5
I think she is the second most powerful senshi( if we dont count galaxia) Sailor Moon is the strongest one because she have the ginzuishou or sylver crystal and is her show, if sailor saturn were the most powerful senshi she could have killed galaxia in the anime or in the manga but neither of them she did. and also if sailor moon last transformation Eternal Sailor Moon consist of everyones energy in her broach included saturn so it means she is the strongest one because she have everyone energy in that tranformation episode 168
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